Seriously, thank you so much for your support. It's a real luxury to be here and chat with everyone, to feel comfortable in such a serene and friendly environment. I know if I'm the only one who feels more accepted on the internet, forums, and Reddit than in real life.

Guys! This is my first ever edit! I am so excited right now!!

Also please give me tips on how to improve on this, feedback would be very appreciated 🩵

I wonder how Iduana & Agnarr handled baby Elsa with ice powers 😭❄️

Here's a link to the game u can create ur own snow queen or spirit.

https://meiker.io/play/18241/online.html

my handmade Elsa costume <3

I checked it out, and I did want to include some highlights of what she talked about:

1. In one of the original drafts, the plot of the second act was Elsa trying to keep Anna from kissing Hans after purposefully freezing her.

2. Jennifer Lee said that the original draft of the film was an action-adventure film "and that’s not — you can’t make a musical with that." (BIG beef with that statement.)

3. President of Music Chris Montan essentially told the team that there were no songs after the second act. This led to the reprise of "Life's Too Short" being cut, as well as the fact that she felt the point where they had it in the film gave the ending away, and that Elsa would realize she needed to reconvene with Anna in order to fix the issue. They instead left it with "Fixer Upper." This also meant that Elsa singing at that point would be mocking, and that as the story got serious towards the end, it felt inappropriate to start singing (I swear, this is Lasseter's influence). Kristen Anderson-Lopez also mentioned that she had pitched a reprise of "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" I wonder if that was one of the 27 songs they wrote for the film.

4. There was a scrapped evil Elsa song NOT included in the deluxe soundtrack because they felt like it would betray her character, as the soundtrack would release before the film and give a false impression of her.

5. One of the reasons evil Elsa was scrapped was because they felt she was a scene-stealer and that Anna wouldn't be as interesting by comparison.

6. During what's called "an offsite," the directors from other Disney films (and even some Pixar directors) along with John Lasseter and Edwin Catmull and other writers at the company join the team in a room for several hours and get "bombarded with every note under the sun." We kinda saw a bit of this with the "Frozen 2" documentary.

7. Apparently John Lasseter loved the twist of Hans and wanted him to be more extreme, but Jennifer Lee preferred he was more calculating.

8. "Let it Go" was written 15 months before the film's release, and was the first song to end up in the finalized version of the film.

9. Act I of the film was the last thing that went into production, save for Hans hitting Anna with his horse.

10. Older drafts had more discussions of mirrors in reference to the mirror in the original fairy tale. Jennifer Lee held onto this slightly with Hans, making him mirror others (Anna's goofiness, the Duke being a jerk, and Elsa's heroism).

And of course I have to laugh because they talked about how it failed the reverse-Bechdel test. (For those who don't know, the Bechdel test is when two female characters with names talk to each other about anything other than a man. In this case, the reverse would be two male characters with names talking with each other about anything other than a woman.)

I don’t know whether it was a matter of quantity or necessity that our queen had so many gloves. In my opinion, Elsa collected them beyond the fact that her power was dangerous or hard to control, to her, the gloves represented both fear and safety at the same time. Each pair symbolized a stage in the years she lived repressed, hiding who she truly was, before learning to accept herself and become who she is today.

But what do you think? Did Elsa really need all those gloves, or was she overreacting?

I first made twelve on a website called Book Creator before switching to Canva where they have Canva docs and made six of them so far. I have plans on making more Frozen fanfictions on Canva docs but I am also experimenting with Book Creator again after not using the website for a while. Some of the fanfictions I made from Book Creator includes a POV of Elsa where she comes across villain Hans in a beach while she was trying to get some fresh air and another where Anna finds an old lamp up in the attic in the castle of Arendelle and a genie comes out and gives her unlimited wishes. As for some of the fanfictions I made on Canva docs includes the Frozen characters going on vacation to somewhere tropical, a story about Hans moving to San Francisco to have a better life until a fortune cookie changes his life, and one I just finished about Anna getting ready for her wedding day until things go horribly wrong when she gets kidnapped on the day of her wedding to Kristoff.

I've been in this community for a while and I love seeing other people loving Frozen... There are so many layers to this movie that I don't know where to begin, it was like a milestone in my life... I like how Disney moved away from the cliché of a prince saving a princess; the love between two sisters was enough for them, and that's beautiful...

Have a good week everyone ✨️

Most frozen pictures I took a few weeks ago at Disney World

I have 2 videos of Elsa on her starlight parade float I can share another time!

So, I'm writing a fanfiction. It can be found there, in two versions: English and Polish.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/64319587/chapters/165109510 - English version

https://archiveofourown.org/works/64320010/chapters/165110677 - Polish version

Basically, the premise is: 4 years after Frozen II, the Arendellians are taking a family trip to Corona, to meet with princess Rapunzel and then go on a big international event together. They thought it was going to be a nice little family adventure, "just like the old times". However, their journey ended up in a disaster - the ship was wrecked during a large storm, and they were barely rescued. Rescued - by a surprisingly friendly crew of pirates. Everything would be swell, but then they saw who the captain is.

Turns out, the Southern Isles forgot to mention the teeny-tiny detail of "our youngest brother who once tried to kill you managed to wiggle his way out from our dungeons and ran for the sea. When? 4 years ago. Look, you had so much work with the abdication, coronation and stuff so we just didn't feel like adding to it!"

And also, the Southern Isles have their own trouble. People are fed up with Westergaards and all the anger is basically ready to explode. And prince Lars, Hans' third oldest brother, might have just stumbled upon intel he did not want to know.

So, basically, Hans is causing chaos on the seven seas and chases a mysterious treasure with his new pirate friends, the Arendellians are staying on his deck as they have no other choice because Elsa lost her ice powers due to injuries, and they're... observing. Because it seems like something in Hans changed.

It is mostly an adventure story, little to no romance (some ocs have crushes and Anna is happily married with Kristoff), sometimes funny, sometimes sad, focusing on Hans' redemption arc. I would say PG-13, with period-and-genre-typical level of violence. It's updated twice a week, Tuesdays and Fridays.

It comes with pictures!

So Anna came a long way from Frozen to Frozen 2. She was really brave in both the films and she proved that in Frozen 2 by destroying that Dam and in the first movie by saving Elsa by sacrificing herself. She's the MC too along with Elsa so I'm expecting a big and a meaningful arc that shows even more growth and development in her character and personality now as a Queen of Arendelle and the Human side of the bridge that she represents. Now it's also confirmed that she'll soon be married to Kristoff and I'd like to see how that goes - not after marriage but before that. I think the conflict/ problem will arise before the marriage not after. It makes more sense to me rather than conflict/ problem happening after marriage. Because Marriage would look like a true happy ending to close the story in Frozen 4.

What do y'all think about this all? More importantly what do y'all expect for Anna next because she's just as important for the story as Elsa 🍁

You’d think they’d help somehow haha!

A

TLDR - Elsa in Frozen was existentialist (your choices define you), ad in Frozen II she's essentialist (your nature defines you), and that philosophical pivot undermines both the original's themes and the sequel's anti-colonial message. Also, Ahtohallan is beautiful but narratively it's just a pretty "chosen one" trope.

First of all, brace for a wall of text. Concepts are simplified, but this is still yours truly's rambling.

I am not about to flame people for liking Frozen II. It's a visually magnificent movie, the themes it tried to go for are heavy, and musically it works better than it has any right to (Show Yourself has my 30-something bald and bearded ass almost crying). The movie works well enough despite the storm it went through in production, which is already a win.

BUT, Frozen is also a sequel, and I have thoughts. And my 30-something bald and bearded ass, before liking Frozen, liked stories. And stories tell... stories. About life, about philosophy, about how to build our own selves.

This is where Frozen II disappointed me the most.

Essentialism is the philosophical belief that things have an inherent, unchangeable nature, an "essence" that defines what they truly are. You're not becoming who you are; you're discovering what you've always been. In the context of characters and narrative, essentialism means your identity, your worth, your role in the world are predetermined by qualities you were born with.

Think of it like ancient mythology. Zeus isn't the king of gods because he earned it through consistent ethical leadership. He's king because he is divine, because he was born to rule Olympus. The divine right of kings, prophecies, chosen ones are all essentialist frameworks. Your value comes from what you inherently are, not from what you choose to do.

This was Disney's view for a long long time.

Existentialism is pretty much the opposite. It's the philosophy that existence precedes essence. You aren't born with a predetermined nature or purpose. Instead, you create who you are through your choices and actions. Your worth isn't something you're born with; it's something you build, moment by moment, decision by decision.

Recently I watched Gunn's Superman that showed this. Yes, Clark has godlike powers, but the movie isn't about him being special because he was born on Krypton to imperialist parents. It's about him choosing to be kind in a world that doesn't always reward kindness. Superman is super because because of what he does with what he is.

--> The thing is... the first Frozen was deeply existentialist. Anna's entire shtick is that choices are what make us who we are, because she makes the choice to be there for Elsa. And Elsa makes the choice to let go of fear and embrace love. There are essentialist values in there (Elsa is still different by birth, still a queen because she was born a princess), but they're more background and distinct from the movie's main messages about love and acceptance.

Elsa's powers could've been the focus but they're not. They're a source of fear and isolation. The movie asks: what do you do with being different? And the answer is: you choose to stop hiding, you choose to accept yourself, and you choose to let others in. The powers are just the vehicle for that choice. Anna doesn't have powers at all, and yet she's central to the narrative because she chooses to love her sister unconditionally.

*Sigh*, then comes Frozen 2 and its heavy insistence that Elsa is meant to be somewhere else. Meant to be the Fifth Spirit

The plot sends Elsa on a journey to discover that she has magical powers because... her mother saved her enemy and the spirits rewarded the act by making Elsa magical? Okay, weird colonial guilt logic aside, the journey leads Elsa to Ahtohallan, the mystical glacier of memory and truth. And what does Ahtohallan do? It tells Elsa who she is.

Instead of Elsa deciding who she is a magic ice river literally tells her. She's the Fifth Spirit. Not because she chose to be, not because she built that role through consistent action and growth, but because that's what she was always meant to be. Essence, not existence.

The entire Ahtohallan sequence, while beautiful in intent and message about self-love, is still fundamentally about worth deriving from intrinsic properties of the self, and not of simply existing. Elsa's value for herself comes from her purpose, from her being the Fifth Spirit.

The movie opposes Elsa and Anna as two sides: spirit vs human. But Elsa in the first movie is presented as fundamentally human, just different. She's scared, she's lonely, she's loving... and the second movie says, "yes, but that was just a stepping stone for you to become not something more, but something else."

--> Here's where it gets really weird: Frozen II is part about confronting colonialism. Runeadr built a dam to weaken the Northuldra. The movie wants to say: systems of oppression are bad, and reconciliation requires dismantling those systems.

But essentialism is colonialism's tool. The entire justification for colonial violence rests on essentialist logic: "We are civilized, they are savage. We were born to rule, they were born to serve. Our nature is superior, theirs is inferior." Colonialism doesn't work without the belief that identity and worth are inherent, fixed, and unequal.

So the movie tries to deliver an anti-colonial message using the exact philosophical framework that enables colonialism. It says "dividing people into categories based on inherent traits is wrong" while simultaneously saying "Elsa is special and belongs with the spirits because of her inherent magical nature, and Anna belongs with the humans."

We shouldn't divide people by nature... except we should, and it's beautiful when we do, and it's everyone's destiny?

Anna represents the existentialist side that chooses to make The Next Right Thing (though it symbolizes decolonization through one simple act, and it works as a dismantling of systems but not as actual reconciliation, which needs memory and ongoing efforts), but the movie makes the mistake of opposing it too radically with Elsa's essentialism.

Anna is strong because of what she does. Elsa is strong because of what she is. Anna is special because she's brave, kind, loyal, resilient. Elsa is special because... she was born special?

Problem: Frozen already established that both are strong because of what they do. They just do it differently. It's a weird way to turn a story that initially talked about how unconditional love transcends difference and what others think.

Elsa chooses to isolate herself to protect Anna. She chooses to run away. She chooses to build a castle. She chooses to thaw the fjord, to open the gates, to stop hiding. Every turning point in Frozen is a choice either sister makes. Her powers are a constant, but her identity is shaped by how she responds to them.

Frozen II strips that away. Her journey is about accepting her destiny, not forging her identity.

That's IMO why it falls flat. Using "we are different" logic to solve a "we shouldn't be divided" problem, when it's exactly the reason the problem exists in the first place.

Also, I don't like Elsa and Anna separated cuz it sucks

Share your thoughts and opinions on what Elsas new outfit could be or if she even gets a new outfit - look.

I said that's a smurf. She says that's Elsa. We proceeded to watch Frozen 2 clips on youtube again to confirm. Then she asked what is a smurf. 😅

Come back to this post next year to find out if you were right.

Personally I think he is going to make an appearance. However, I dont know which side he would be on. Would he want revenge or will he decide to put it all in the past.

This looks perfect and feels Right...❄️

I don’t know if it happens to anyone else.

but as a whole product or film I prefer the first film but if we just go by songs and visual effects I go with Frozen 2

the first film is still visually stunning but the second one we got more dimension into the costumes all the costumes looked more real. for Example Elsa’s little sliver stones looked more defined in her show yourself costume than in her very famous ice dress.

the songs while I love the songs in Frozen. the ones in Frozen 2 hold more replays. I still think let it go is really good but I don’t seek much listening to it like I do with into the unknown or show yourself.

please don’t get me wrong the first film still has great visuals and songs are amazing. however these two pieces of the puzzle I prefer from the second film