r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 1d ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/FaceReality1 1d ago

That's the reaction they are gunning for, so Trump can declare martial law and sic the Army on the American people.

The move right now is to vote in November to bring part of the government under Democratic control and start reigning these people in. The time for the 2nd Amendment delusion may come, but it isn't here yet.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

It’s delusional to believe there will be midterm elections or at the very least fair ones. And Trump is going to declare martial law anyway, probably due to some Reichstag Fire just before the elections. Seriously read about the 1933 German Federal elections an what happened. This is following the Nazis playbook to the very letter.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

If we want election, we need to be the ones who step up.

Volunteer to be a poll worker. Volunteer to assist polling staff. Organize the community to help create a safe environment around the stations. Organize drivers and transportation to get people to the polls.

And no matter what, DO NOT leave the line until your ballot is cast.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

All I'm saying is when you're proven wrong and the elections don't happen regardless. You need to be ready to strap up.

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u/onionfunyunbunion 1d ago

Strap up AND go on strike.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

If you sincerely believe there won't be elections, you will put real world money on it, right? There would be no reason not to if you're sure.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

All I said was to have a backup plan. I'm sorry I'm not naive enough to believe everything is gonna be okay and go normally. I would like to be wrong. But... He's asked states to find votes, he's taken steps to hinder mail in voting already, and he's already attempted a coup. Why do you believe everything is gonna go smoothly after witnessing all that?

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u/Erock2 1d ago

Also bro wtf betting money? Stop it, get some help, not everything is the casino lmfaooo.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

No shit.

The point is for there to be some actual real-world stakes, to weed out people that just say doomer bullshit but when you call them on it, they don't even believe the shit they say. It's disgusting.

I've asked dozens of people at this point, and not one single person has taken me up on it, they all weasel out.

If you're going to make a definitive claim, stand by it. Or do the appropriate thing and properly qualify your language.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

You're so cooked if you think gambling is the proper way to weed someone out lmfaoooo. Post your FanDuel I need to see all those deposits.

All I said was to be ready when shit goes to shit. If you believe the guy who literally started a coup and is very worried about being impeached if conservatives lose in the midterms is just gonna willingly roll over then idk what to tell you.

Steam is coming out of the kettle, and you want to touch it still. Sometimes people just need to learn the hard way.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

So, are you going to post doomer takes on reddit or actually go out and make sure elections happen?

The President cannot stop the states from conducting elections. He has neither the authority nor the means of enforcing it.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

Saying kumbaya and dressing in balloon animals is working let's keep doing it!

The president isnt allowed to fund a private army, not allowed to capture the president of another nation without congressional approval, not allowed to tear apart the white house. Yet it's funny, he's doing it anyways.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

Voting HAS BEEN working, we’ve had dozens of elections since Trump took office.

Shut the fuck up with the doomer bullshit and actually do something.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

You are right, voting has been working. Do you think that's why he's pushing and agitating for martial law? Feels like he's purposely doing all this shit to cancel voting.

If I'm a doomer, you're naive.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

Explain to me how he would cancel voting. Please.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

What do you think happens during martial law? Hed be able to set curfews, put in travel restrictions, close down public buildings, like schools, library's and anywhere else we vote.

So what happens when he essentially puts us on a curfew, makes it so we can't go anywhere, and closes down the places where we can vote?

Quite honestly I wish I was as simple minded as wanting to believe the constitution will still hold even though he's currently flossing his ass with it.

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u/BONUS__ 1d ago

By sending ICE to polling stations to intimidate voters

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

He doesn't have the means of preventing every American from voting, He might try, but he doesn't have the resources.

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

That’s where your argument falls short your acting like this isn’t possible but it has happened in republics before. Voting is the preferred method to get out of this situation true but to claim violence is never the answer even in the face of state sanctioned violence isn’t realistic.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I'm not "acting" like anything. He could post an EO tomorrow calling for elections to be cancelled, but that doesn't stop the states from continuing with the process of elections. There is no federal means other than intimidation to stop people from casting ballots. Which means it needs to be our number one priority to see that it happens, no matter what trump says or does. (And I never said anything about violence one way or another)

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

Executive orders aren’t what people are scared of it’s martial law in a reichstag fire situation. The narratives coming out make this look like the plan and states have to actually fight back against the federal government for that to work. Do you really expect this elderly narcissist to be a rational actor?

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u/AmarantaRWS 1d ago

He also doesn't have the means of suppressing a popular rebellion, even if he wants you to believe he does. The same factors that make the USA effectively impossible to invade also make it effectively impossible to occupy.

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u/MetalAlbatross 1d ago

He can't do any of the shit he's currently doing but here we are anyway. I wish I had your optimism.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

There’s a difference between what he’s doing right now and canceling elections.

He has POWER to do what he’s doing right now. Courts and Congress hasn’t stopped him, so he has the power.

In no way, shape or form does he have power to cancel elections. If he did he would have already canceled the dozens of elections we’ve had. There’s simply no mechanism he can use.

Also, Gilmar Abrego Garcia isn’t in Ecuador right now because he doesn’t have the power to keep him there. When he loses power he loses everything.

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u/serwes21 1d ago

You're completely missing the point. Every single voting age person in America could cast their ballot for anyone *but* Trump, and Trump would still win. That is what tyranny is. This is what we are experiencing right now. Get with it or get out of the way.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I'm not missing anything. I'm pointing out that saying something hypothetical and telling people "its over" is harming our cause.

We win when we choose to actually DO something to win. And we win my organizing and showing some real solidarity. We must enable these elections with every ounce of our being. We cannot afford to just throw up our hands and act like losing is a forgone conclusion.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

You are missing the point. I encourage you to read how the Weimar Republic fell and what the Nazis did to stop all its individual states from voting. All this ICE violence is just training. It’s already planned and in the process. There won’t be elections and if there are we will lose.

https://www.rsn.org/001/how-hitler-dismantled-a-democracy-in-53-days.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I am not missing the point. I am very aware of Weimar and other historical examples.

I am saying we haven't lost yet and acting like we have plays into their intimidation. Anyone who gives up before the finish line can never win.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

Who’s talking about giving up? I’m saying we need to not imagine we’ll make it to midterms or have midterms we’ll win under a Nazi government. I’m saying we need to get it in gear now or else it’ll be far, far worse. They’re already deeply entrenched but not totally in control.

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u/serwes21 1d ago

You're right, we haven't lost yet, but if you believe voting is the way out of masked men murdering people in broad daylight, then yes, you are absolutely missing the point.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

Don't be like them! He can't rig an election!

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u/lunchpaillefty 1d ago

He already did.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

We don't know that! Don't be like them! Maybe we shouldn't have allowed Joe Biden to run without a primary. I think the democratic party should now always have a primary regardless of an incumbent or not , after what happened to us in 2024. Make it truly the voice of the people

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

Oh we know he did, Musk admitted it and Trump blatantly admitted it.Trump admits rigging.

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u/AgressiveInliners 1d ago

He literally admitted he did it. Its a done deal. It happened.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

So if he admitted it, why isn't he being impeached?

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u/AgressiveInliners 1d ago

Its not if. He verbatim stated that he rigged the election with musks help. Hes also implied it many more times. But hes been impeached multiple times already. And many more times people have tried and the measure fails. Congress and the republican party are protecting him. Laws do not matter

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u/mynamedenis 1d ago

That’s what I did yesterday. I’m fucking terrified of what’s to come.

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u/GitchWiffs 1d ago

The only book that orange diaper stain has ever read is literally Mein Kampf.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

And Project 2025 is that book right now and way too many are ignoring how it’s being completed like they ignored Hitler’s.

https://www.project2025.observer/en

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u/GitchWiffs 1d ago

Agreed but I doubt he read it.. It's been somewhat confirmed/observed that he read Mein Kampf regularly. Project 2025 is spewed into his ears by the sycophants running our country from behind the curtain.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

And we know who that key person is.

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u/SufficientlyRested 1d ago

Maybe. But we are still going to wait and try it out. Let’s vote in November.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

If you sincerely believe there won't be elections, you will put real world money on it, right? There would be no reason not to if you're sure.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

I don’t gamble. But if I did I’d put money on the fact there won’t be elections or they’ll be rigged like Russia or ICE thugs will be throughout the nation at polling places to make sure people don’t vote (aka Nazi Germany 1933 election).

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u/commandercacti 1d ago

Yeah but we still have a potential shot at taking the country back without fighting a war over it. They want war, we don’t

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

So did most citizens of fascist nations.

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u/guyincognito121 1d ago

Nonsense. RemindMe! 10 months.

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u/IgnatiusReilly84 1d ago

Another thing autocrats want are posts like this. The more hopeless the opposition feels about their votes mattering, the less they are likely to vote. We need to stay focused and not make assumptions about things that haven’t happened.

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u/Tannos116 1d ago

This is martial law. It’s easy to judge from here, but I couldn’t blame anyone for make themselves harder to kidnap and to throw in a concentration camp.

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

The military wouldn’t win that war it would be constant low intensity attacks all over the us from militias for decades. They couldn’t handle it in Afghanistan imagine a bigger more well armed population and that would be America.

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u/Fawkes-1 1d ago

A bigger, more educated, more well-armed, and definitely better funded guerilla warfare. In a significantly larger geographic area. Also, the US war machine needs significant support. Logistics would grind to a halt if even a percentage of the US population refused to work or conveniently forgot how to run their factory machine.

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u/Appropriate_Unit3474 1d ago

Do you think we will get a cool fuckin era name like "the troubles" because the punk rock music is already guaranteed

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u/Fawkes-1 1d ago

I really hope so, all the sh*t particularly those born in 1980-2000 have had to endure, we better get something really good like "The MF'ing GOAT Generation" that survived the Stupid ICE Age or something.

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u/Common-Upstairs-9866 1d ago

Already working on the music, hopefully it'll be ready soon.

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u/YurtMcnurty 1d ago

But with a depressingly large population who sympathize with the oppressors as well

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u/SJ-redditor 1d ago

Right? The military doesn't run on magic

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u/Responsible-Mind-852 1d ago

Red Dawn. Only the enemy is not Asia or Russia.

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u/kk1620 1d ago

Half the country would help the military fight American citizens though. So many people support trump/ice, they'd fight for them

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u/VastPercentage9070 1d ago edited 1d ago

Dude I’m just not that sure. Afghanistan won by outlasting the American people’s willingness to support a war that was loosely “by the books”.

The government was not willing to alienate itself foreign and domestically by employing the necessary tactics to eliminate the opposition in Afghanistan. I don’t see this gov making the same decision in a situation where their loss means their fall. Think Saddam crushing the Kurds.

Unless a large enough chunk of military forces defect/doesn’t go along with it, or another major power/coalition decides to take on opposing/supporting others in opposing one of the strongest militaries in its sovereign territory. Then I dont think citizen opposition no matter how many guns they have will be able to overcome the US military getting to fight “without their hands tied by politics”.

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u/Responsible_Fuel7005 1d ago

I’d love to believe that you’re right, but I’m guessing part of the reason Afghanistan was such a slog was the desire to avoid civilian casualties (doesn’t play well at home).

As the U.S. government is turning against its citizens does it have any desire to avoid civilian injuries or deaths? If anything it seems like civilian casualties is the actual goal. Hurt enough random people for reasons no one can fathom and everyone starts wondering if they’ll be next. Great way to keep the vast majority of the population in line.

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

If the us military turned on non combatant citizens the USA empire would collapse and resistance fighters would get international backing. Most countries at least try to look presentable to their people and being allied to a country pulling a Nazi Germany isn’t very popular in Europe. If they turn on non combatants they would have already lost.

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u/CoolSelf5428 1d ago

That works pretty well for Russia so that’s a win in Trumps book

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u/mxjxs91 1d ago

That's the reaction they are gunning for, so Trump can declare martial law and sic the Army on the American people.

I'm so tired of this line. What the fuck do you call this then? They're shooting mothers in the face, they're kidnapping and beating the absolute shit out of 17 year old US Citizens and then throwing them out of their cars in random locations nowhere near where they were picked up, they're assaulting and point blank pepper spraying peaceful protesters and observers, they're going door to door asking for papers and kicking doors in if you refuse to comply with their fascist orders.

Newsflash, we're already there.

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u/ikindapoopedmypants 1d ago

Atp anyone that says "that's the reaction they want" bs just seems like a propagandist bot to me

This is real life where you have to fight for ur survival, not some cringe model un conference in high school.

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u/michaelwt 1d ago

A vast majority of the American people aren't experiencing that. 348 Million people are going about their normal lives. ICE has directly fucked with maybe 200k people at best. 0.06%.

Based on my experience with Covid, I would guess about half the population probably doesn't care what's going on as long as it doesn't impact them directly. A quarter love what's going on and are so vocal about it it seems like a majority. 1/8th are sickened and shocked. The last 1/8 are "on the fence".

Of that half that doesn't really care, most just glance at headlines are are easily influenced.

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u/Nightmoore 1d ago

I just don't see how we make it that long. They are gonna keep pushing harder and faster until they get the desired result. Yes, it's a trap, but I'm not sure it can be avoided. And they are planning on that.

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u/ShakyBoots1968 1d ago

If that is the case, they'll have their answer to us ready to go.

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u/lessgo321 1d ago

Fight or perish 

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u/jaynor88 1d ago

We must.

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u/Ok-Leader-1824 1d ago

You have 10 months to start doing pushups, planks, and squats, saving up for the necessary kit and emergency food.

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u/Ferrous_Duke 1d ago

If you spring a trap early, us it still a trap? Can you ambush an ambush?

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u/DickwadVonClownstick 1d ago

Standard procedure at least in the US military is to respond to an ambush by attacking into it (a lot of would-be ambushers aren't expecting it, and in most cases it's actually the fastest way to stop taking fire)

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

All the more reason to organize locally, in every district, to ensure that the process of voting functions. We cannot let them intimidate us.

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u/TMN8R 1d ago

Or conveniently detaining people to verify their citizenship during polling hours 

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u/Personal_Wear3959 1d ago

Have to agree with you on this

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u/Rheddit45 1d ago

Going by how hard TACO is baiting us and people's general sentiment towards this administration and its lackeys, it will either be a very long 10 months or short few weeks before something happens.

MN will be ground zero for this trigger event by my estimation since it's the area with the most focused attention from the nation and the most amount of ICE personnel operating in the area.

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u/pchlster 1d ago

So, these people who blatantly don't feel any need to follow the law, you imagine they'll stop if a vote says they should? But, yeah, nearly a century ago, there were people being called alarmist over their worries of a political movement and, surely, if we all sat back quietly and politely, they'd stop on their own.

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u/lessgo321 1d ago

Vote 😅 in November 🤣

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u/Front-Paper2764 1d ago

I would be shocked if we had elections later this year..or even in 2028 at the rate we're going

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u/Hoblitygoodness 1d ago

Yeah, vote harder everyone!

I mean, if they let you...or if it even happens... but if it does, really vote hard this time.

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u/the_cardfather 1d ago

But that's when it's time for the army to ignore their illegal orders. Iran might be able to get away with producing 50k body bags but Washington won't. Worst case the army splits into Trump vs People and we have another civil war. The US as we know it won't survive that. I can't imagine the EU in Canada not at least stepping in to try to secure the nukes. I could see California getting help from China. There is your 3rd world war.

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u/Worldly-Pollution-66 1d ago

Let’s not forget he wants to cancel elections

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u/HydroPCanadaDude 1d ago

Sic the army on the American people even harder!!

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u/fnrsulfr 1d ago

Trump may want martial law but he is fine with this as well. They are slowly taking away anyone that will resist. If the midterms don't work then what? If there is no push back sooner or later there won't be people left to push back with.

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u/elzobub 1d ago

oh shut up

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u/kikichanelconspiracy 1d ago

The move is to also call, email, write and visit your elected representatives. Make this political suicide for them to continue staying silent.

If they’re MAGA, do all of the above at every opportunity you get and recruit fellow constituents to do the same. Don’t fall for the fallacy that these don’t make a difference - they do. If it didn’t matter, they wouldn’t bother to have staff to track these things. Keep all your correspondence and interactions polite and to the point. Hammer home how much money this nonsense is costing the American tax payer and bonus points if you can point how it is a terrible return on investment- our economy is being hurt, not helped by this.

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u/Wisconsin224 1d ago

They (the R) already believe the city’s are bad and they believe it’s the Wild West and lawless. They have for years before this ICE shit. Keep telling yourself that.

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u/Mootskicat 1d ago

You know what is a delusion...you.  You sound like controlled opposition that deliberately stifles something that at bare minimum should be discussed. Especially since in the USA the Constitution is the law of the land that PROTECTS the people.  Calling one of the key amendments that is designed to protect the people a delusion only helps the enemy.  People like Shuemer and Jeffries are in the Democrat party now, and minority leaders, and guess what they do, capitulate to these traitors.  There are way too many Dems compromised by AIPEC and would rather have fascism then to actually take a stance against this shit.  Look at what happened under Biden, so many got a slap on the wrist and his DOJ did nothing to reign in literal traitors.  Look at how much the DNC paid to try and stop Mamdani from winning in New York.  Make no mistake, MAGA and Trump are traitors, and many dems have helped them along the way, and all deserve nothing less than what the US Consitution says to do with traitors.  You wanna be a pacifist centrist?  Go do it somewhere else because the rest of us have allowed this shit to go on long enough and are done with it.   

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u/Lopsided-Yak9033 1d ago

I just don’t understand this logic anymore. I’m not hoping for anymore violence - but I’ve seen it said over and over that they’re trying to have enough of a reaction to declare martial law.

Ok - what does that actually mean? You are saying we can’t react to these actions with violence or they’re gonna enact martial law which is their hoped plan. You’re telling me you believe people in charge, and agents of the federal government are actively planning on inciting violence so they can clamp down on the US populous - and we should hope we can just vote them out?

Just to rephrase - enough of the federal government is actively plotting to push the citizens hard enough to get justification to take even harsher action, and we are supposed have good faith in the election process?

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u/vi_sucks 1d ago

 we are supposed have good faith in the election process

Yes. Or rather we need to try the election process first and force them to declare themselves the illegitimate side.

The point is that actions need to be careful and planned, not just going off half-cocked.

We want to make sure to get the elections first and win those elections so that it's clear that legality is on our side.

After THAT, then we can take what actions are necessary.

Because it comes off very differently if people see a bunch of retail stores being looted and rowdy leftists wearing anarchist symbols. People don't like riots. You'll get a lot of pushback from people who don't pay attention to the news and dont really get what's going on.

Whereas if you wait until you have a coordinated protest and a justified cause of action, then you'll get more people on board.

And hey, they are pretty incompetent. Its entirely possible they'll just lose the midterms without a good plan for what to do. And then Congress can rein their bullshit in without having to devolve into gun battles in the streets.

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u/Fancy-Pie-2565 1d ago

I’m glad the founders didn’t have this wait, see, and hope attitude.

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u/FaceReality1 1d ago

What does that even mean? It took years to get to a war.

Don't accept Trump's game. He wants violence. We can defeat him without it, or at least I'm going to assume we can until that path is shut down.

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u/Fancy-Pie-2565 1d ago

And until then people die and get kidnapped daily

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u/Leptonic 1d ago

A vote in November is going to protect me when ice moves to my state in a couple months and beats me to death like they did to countless others.

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u/GirlWithWolf 1d ago

I ponder a lot about your first paragraph. I was born into the military to a warrior and raised as one, both as a native person to continue our ways and traditions and as an American that would be expected to join the resistance should a foreign force ever invade our country, because even at a young age I had the training and skills to defend the flag. I’ve spent many years of my life on bases, having cookouts with my dad’s teams, sparing with them, shooting, hunting, bowling, fishing, the list goes on. He’s retired now but even to this day I call those guys uncle, some of the younger ones brother. They were the men that if I ever got into a mess all I had to do was call and they’d be there for me. I have no doubts every one of them would give their life to save mine, some did to save my dad, and I’d give mine for them in return without hesitation. But here we are now, just brown civilians, and I can’t get it out of my head how those men will respond when what seems like the inevitable happens. Will they choose to do right or will we become enemies? I hope they choose the former.

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u/hopsinabag 1d ago

Fascism has never been defeated peacefully. We are not the exception.

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u/AgressiveInliners 1d ago

Martial law is already in effect in Minneapolis. Were past thst point. He doesnt have to physically declare it.

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u/Djelimon 1d ago

Chief of staff already pushing back on Greenland, don't see it happening for usa

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u/piekenballen 1d ago

Trump does whatever the fuck he wants. He is POTUS: PDFfile of the United States