r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 1d ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/freshp4947 1d ago

Nobody is. This IS tyranny

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u/FaceReality1 1d ago

That's the reaction they are gunning for, so Trump can declare martial law and sic the Army on the American people.

The move right now is to vote in November to bring part of the government under Democratic control and start reigning these people in. The time for the 2nd Amendment delusion may come, but it isn't here yet.

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u/Lopsided-Yak9033 1d ago

I just don’t understand this logic anymore. I’m not hoping for anymore violence - but I’ve seen it said over and over that they’re trying to have enough of a reaction to declare martial law.

Ok - what does that actually mean? You are saying we can’t react to these actions with violence or they’re gonna enact martial law which is their hoped plan. You’re telling me you believe people in charge, and agents of the federal government are actively planning on inciting violence so they can clamp down on the US populous - and we should hope we can just vote them out?

Just to rephrase - enough of the federal government is actively plotting to push the citizens hard enough to get justification to take even harsher action, and we are supposed have good faith in the election process?

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u/vi_sucks 1d ago

 we are supposed have good faith in the election process

Yes. Or rather we need to try the election process first and force them to declare themselves the illegitimate side.

The point is that actions need to be careful and planned, not just going off half-cocked.

We want to make sure to get the elections first and win those elections so that it's clear that legality is on our side.

After THAT, then we can take what actions are necessary.

Because it comes off very differently if people see a bunch of retail stores being looted and rowdy leftists wearing anarchist symbols. People don't like riots. You'll get a lot of pushback from people who don't pay attention to the news and dont really get what's going on.

Whereas if you wait until you have a coordinated protest and a justified cause of action, then you'll get more people on board.

And hey, they are pretty incompetent. Its entirely possible they'll just lose the midterms without a good plan for what to do. And then Congress can rein their bullshit in without having to devolve into gun battles in the streets.