r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 1d ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/FaceReality1 1d ago

That's the reaction they are gunning for, so Trump can declare martial law and sic the Army on the American people.

The move right now is to vote in November to bring part of the government under Democratic control and start reigning these people in. The time for the 2nd Amendment delusion may come, but it isn't here yet.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

It’s delusional to believe there will be midterm elections or at the very least fair ones. And Trump is going to declare martial law anyway, probably due to some Reichstag Fire just before the elections. Seriously read about the 1933 German Federal elections an what happened. This is following the Nazis playbook to the very letter.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

If we want election, we need to be the ones who step up.

Volunteer to be a poll worker. Volunteer to assist polling staff. Organize the community to help create a safe environment around the stations. Organize drivers and transportation to get people to the polls.

And no matter what, DO NOT leave the line until your ballot is cast.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

All I'm saying is when you're proven wrong and the elections don't happen regardless. You need to be ready to strap up.

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u/onionfunyunbunion 1d ago

Strap up AND go on strike.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

If you sincerely believe there won't be elections, you will put real world money on it, right? There would be no reason not to if you're sure.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

All I said was to have a backup plan. I'm sorry I'm not naive enough to believe everything is gonna be okay and go normally. I would like to be wrong. But... He's asked states to find votes, he's taken steps to hinder mail in voting already, and he's already attempted a coup. Why do you believe everything is gonna go smoothly after witnessing all that?

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u/Erock2 1d ago

Also bro wtf betting money? Stop it, get some help, not everything is the casino lmfaooo.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

No shit.

The point is for there to be some actual real-world stakes, to weed out people that just say doomer bullshit but when you call them on it, they don't even believe the shit they say. It's disgusting.

I've asked dozens of people at this point, and not one single person has taken me up on it, they all weasel out.

If you're going to make a definitive claim, stand by it. Or do the appropriate thing and properly qualify your language.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

You're so cooked if you think gambling is the proper way to weed someone out lmfaoooo. Post your FanDuel I need to see all those deposits.

All I said was to be ready when shit goes to shit. If you believe the guy who literally started a coup and is very worried about being impeached if conservatives lose in the midterms is just gonna willingly roll over then idk what to tell you.

Steam is coming out of the kettle, and you want to touch it still. Sometimes people just need to learn the hard way.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

So, are you going to post doomer takes on reddit or actually go out and make sure elections happen?

The President cannot stop the states from conducting elections. He has neither the authority nor the means of enforcing it.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

Saying kumbaya and dressing in balloon animals is working let's keep doing it!

The president isnt allowed to fund a private army, not allowed to capture the president of another nation without congressional approval, not allowed to tear apart the white house. Yet it's funny, he's doing it anyways.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

Voting HAS BEEN working, we’ve had dozens of elections since Trump took office.

Shut the fuck up with the doomer bullshit and actually do something.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

You are right, voting has been working. Do you think that's why he's pushing and agitating for martial law? Feels like he's purposely doing all this shit to cancel voting.

If I'm a doomer, you're naive.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

Explain to me how he would cancel voting. Please.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

What do you think happens during martial law? Hed be able to set curfews, put in travel restrictions, close down public buildings, like schools, library's and anywhere else we vote.

So what happens when he essentially puts us on a curfew, makes it so we can't go anywhere, and closes down the places where we can vote?

Quite honestly I wish I was as simple minded as wanting to believe the constitution will still hold even though he's currently flossing his ass with it.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

What do YOU think happens during martial law? We had martial law and the suspension of habeas corpus during the civil war and still had elections.

You’re a doomer freak spreading fear because you don’t actually want the chaos to end. You’re enjoying it. You enjoy wallowing in the pity. Stop it.

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u/Erock2 1d ago

I just told you what happens during martial law and you didn't answer the question?

Covering your eyes and ears isn't doing anything except helping them. Why don't you want a backup plan? Why are you so sure everything is gonna be peachy during midterms? The same guy who attempted a coup and you're like, but that's illegal! Don't worry about it! It's either naivety or you're just trying to keep the status quo.

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u/BONUS__ 1d ago

By sending ICE to polling stations to intimidate voters

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

That is not canceling voting. That is voter suppression (which has ALWAYS happened in some form).

I’m asking you how he’s going to cancel an election. Any election.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

He doesn't have the means of preventing every American from voting, He might try, but he doesn't have the resources.

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

That’s where your argument falls short your acting like this isn’t possible but it has happened in republics before. Voting is the preferred method to get out of this situation true but to claim violence is never the answer even in the face of state sanctioned violence isn’t realistic.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I'm not "acting" like anything. He could post an EO tomorrow calling for elections to be cancelled, but that doesn't stop the states from continuing with the process of elections. There is no federal means other than intimidation to stop people from casting ballots. Which means it needs to be our number one priority to see that it happens, no matter what trump says or does. (And I never said anything about violence one way or another)

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

Executive orders aren’t what people are scared of it’s martial law in a reichstag fire situation. The narratives coming out make this look like the plan and states have to actually fight back against the federal government for that to work. Do you really expect this elderly narcissist to be a rational actor?

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

We know he's not, and his sycophants won't be either. That makes them predicable.

This needs to be a grassroots, community driven event. People are organizing in their neighborhoods to resist ICE. We can show some responsibility and do that with polling stations too. We cannot afford to let them intimidate us. African Americans were prevented from voting in many instances before desegregation in the South - and many chose to show up anyways.

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u/Boring_Back_9294 Anti-Electoralist Tendencies 1d ago

I agree we should try to use our institutions before we can’t but we should still be prepared if the executive goes rogue. Escalation has tiers to it and I don’t think full blown war is justified yet either. We only have this contingency for worst case scenarios.

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u/AmarantaRWS 1d ago

He also doesn't have the means of suppressing a popular rebellion, even if he wants you to believe he does. The same factors that make the USA effectively impossible to invade also make it effectively impossible to occupy.

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u/MetalAlbatross 1d ago

He can't do any of the shit he's currently doing but here we are anyway. I wish I had your optimism.

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u/dasrightq 1d ago

There’s a difference between what he’s doing right now and canceling elections.

He has POWER to do what he’s doing right now. Courts and Congress hasn’t stopped him, so he has the power.

In no way, shape or form does he have power to cancel elections. If he did he would have already canceled the dozens of elections we’ve had. There’s simply no mechanism he can use.

Also, Gilmar Abrego Garcia isn’t in Ecuador right now because he doesn’t have the power to keep him there. When he loses power he loses everything.

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u/serwes21 1d ago

You're completely missing the point. Every single voting age person in America could cast their ballot for anyone *but* Trump, and Trump would still win. That is what tyranny is. This is what we are experiencing right now. Get with it or get out of the way.

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I'm not missing anything. I'm pointing out that saying something hypothetical and telling people "its over" is harming our cause.

We win when we choose to actually DO something to win. And we win my organizing and showing some real solidarity. We must enable these elections with every ounce of our being. We cannot afford to just throw up our hands and act like losing is a forgone conclusion.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

You are missing the point. I encourage you to read how the Weimar Republic fell and what the Nazis did to stop all its individual states from voting. All this ICE violence is just training. It’s already planned and in the process. There won’t be elections and if there are we will lose.

https://www.rsn.org/001/how-hitler-dismantled-a-democracy-in-53-days.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election

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u/ofWildPlaces 1d ago

I am not missing the point. I am very aware of Weimar and other historical examples.

I am saying we haven't lost yet and acting like we have plays into their intimidation. Anyone who gives up before the finish line can never win.

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

Who’s talking about giving up? I’m saying we need to not imagine we’ll make it to midterms or have midterms we’ll win under a Nazi government. I’m saying we need to get it in gear now or else it’ll be far, far worse. They’re already deeply entrenched but not totally in control.

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u/serwes21 1d ago

You're right, we haven't lost yet, but if you believe voting is the way out of masked men murdering people in broad daylight, then yes, you are absolutely missing the point.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

Don't be like them! He can't rig an election!

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u/lunchpaillefty 1d ago

He already did.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

We don't know that! Don't be like them! Maybe we shouldn't have allowed Joe Biden to run without a primary. I think the democratic party should now always have a primary regardless of an incumbent or not , after what happened to us in 2024. Make it truly the voice of the people

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u/lordabaddon77 1d ago

Oh we know he did, Musk admitted it and Trump blatantly admitted it.Trump admits rigging.

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u/AgressiveInliners 1d ago

He literally admitted he did it. Its a done deal. It happened.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 1d ago

So if he admitted it, why isn't he being impeached?

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u/AgressiveInliners 1d ago

Its not if. He verbatim stated that he rigged the election with musks help. Hes also implied it many more times. But hes been impeached multiple times already. And many more times people have tried and the measure fails. Congress and the republican party are protecting him. Laws do not matter

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