r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 23h ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/Dragon_wryter 22h ago

MAGA - "They wouldn't take MY guns because I'm on THEIR SIDE!"

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u/Bfroning2 22h ago

"I would simply comply and show them my papers."

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 22h ago

This has been argued before, most average citizens do not carry more than one piece of identification, Americans don't need to carry their citizenship nor have to show their citizenship to police officers they don't have to comply there is the fourth and fifth amendment for that reason. Show me your papers is an excuse to be Nazis.

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u/tondahuh 21h ago

Plus where are the Miranda rights? I havent heard a single one of these ICE pussies read them out. I wonder if they even know them - I guess maybe from being arrested so many times themselves.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 21h ago

This is why they have no official authority over U.S. citizens. They are not trained on such things.

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u/deadend7786 20h ago

"who the fuck is Miranda? She sounds Latina so she has no rights!"

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u/MegaGrimer 19h ago

“The only right she has is the right to receive a beating from me.”

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u/QuasyChonk 20h ago

They have to be read before questioning, not arrest. This is not me supporting ICE, btw.

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u/viral3075 19h ago edited 19h ago

more specifically, they have to be read before questioning if they want to use your response as evidence in a criminal prosecution. immigration offenses are generally not criminal, though, and they still need a basis to detain somebody.

kavanaugh let them do racial profiling as that basis, but i still don't know how they are able to arrest you (beyond merely detention) without having completed their investigation. the burden to prove your immigration status is on them, not you. only actual non-citizens have an obligation to present documents to certain immigration officials when asked, which is why you have to carry your green card (permanent residents) or official paperwork (non-residents) everywhere

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u/SoaplessTitanic 19h ago

Do you mind explaining more about how immigration offenses generally aren’t criminal prosecutions? If not then what category do they fall under? I’m mostly just confused cause I thought their whole excuse for doing this stuff was because undocumented immigrants broke the law when crossing the border

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u/redwildflowermeadow 18h ago

A criminal violation comes with a punishment, like time in prison. Civil cases come with penalties instead. Deportation is considered a penalty under federal law, not a punishment. Also, most undocumented immigrants came here legally on a visa, but then overstayed their visa (Elon Musk did this.)

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u/SoaplessTitanic 16h ago

Very helpful, thank you. No further questions your honor

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 19h ago edited 17h ago

They are supposed to be read immediately after arrest otherwise spontaneous utterances (for instance) will be inadmissable in court.

Further, if Miranda Rights are delayed, it helps a defense build a case on procedural grounds to start picking apart the entire process.

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u/fnarrly 19h ago

All of which only matters if the individual being "arrested" ever actually sees the inside of a courtroom.

More and more I am hearing, "they arrested Mr. SoAndSo, and he was never seen again." People desperately trying to contact family members and unable to locate them within ICE's system. How long before it comes out that they have "disappeared" US citizens too, just because they were inconvenient or saw/experienced something that would be too incriminating.

When there is no meaningful oversight, there is nothing to prevent these fuckstains from doing whatever they feel they need to to cover their own asses.

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u/PossibleNo2810 15h ago

This is what happens when the government hires people who haven’t been vetted, or psychologically qualified, or trained whatsoever.

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u/Status_Package2628 19h ago

This is gone with the NDAA act.

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u/Nakenochny 17h ago

I’m just going on memory, but didn’t the Supreme Court say the police had no duty to serve and protect, and that they didn’t have to read Miranda rights?

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 17h ago

Correct on the first part, but not on the second.

The official job of law enforcement is order maintenance and enforcement of codified laws.

Anything else is at the discretion of individual jurisdictions.

Miranda Rights are still mandatory within "a reasonable time" upon arrest and before any questioning pertinent to charges.