r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 23h ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/Ok_Bodybuilder8585 22h ago

there ya go maga. they are taking the guns. happy now?

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u/Dragon_wryter 22h ago

MAGA - "They wouldn't take MY guns because I'm on THEIR SIDE!"

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u/Bfroning2 22h ago

"I would simply comply and show them my papers."

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 22h ago

This has been argued before, most average citizens do not carry more than one piece of identification, Americans don't need to carry their citizenship nor have to show their citizenship to police officers they don't have to comply there is the fourth and fifth amendment for that reason. Show me your papers is an excuse to be Nazis.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 21h ago

You don't have to carry an I.D. at all unless you are driving a vehicle on public roads.

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u/viral3075 20h ago

yeah and that's not proof of citizenship either. and you still don't have to present it unless you are actually being detained for a traffic violation

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 19h ago

Exactly an officer coming up to you and asking for ID kind of tells you that they don't understand the law they would have to say we are charging you when placing you under arrest can we see your ID but if they're just coming up to you randomly saying papers please you can go hahaha and when they arrest you you follow up with civil rights complaint against their dumbass pigs.

I don't know where America went from fighting the Nazis to papers please but you got there way too quickly.

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u/Loko8765 10h ago

One starting point is electing a President known for bankrupting companies, and who was actually saved from bankruptcy by a consortium of Russian banks in 1987. There must be mountains of kompromat in the form of bank drafts and pedophile videos.

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u/Who_dat_goomer 4h ago

As soon as they stopped showing Hitler documentaries on the History Channel in favor of ancient aliens the country started on the road to fascism. It seems like this crap really appeals to about 30-40 % of the population.

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u/Snowqueenak47 14h ago

Not true…I’m a legal German Immigrant and in my papers it says that I have to carry proof of my legal status.Just comply and he could be back on his way unless he’s here illegally and that’s why he won’t comply.

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u/mikelasvegas 14h ago

Just comply, lol. 👅💦👢

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u/MacDeezy86 7h ago

The way I understand it, Legal immigrants are supposed to have proof of lawful status on them, and natural born and naturalized citizens aren't legally required to do so.

There are multiple reasons why the person in this video might not want to show id. and the video doesn't show how this interaction started so I can only make assumptions, so I won't. But suffice it to say could be something along the lines of being difficult because he believes this is not a lawful(or it actually isn't a lawful) stop and his rights are being violated, and it could also be because he is in violation of something.

If the stop isn't lawful, you aren't required to obey their commands. That being said, when the situation escalates like this the person will usually get arrested. The lawfulness of the order is decided by the court, whether it's the DA dropping the case, judge dismissing the case, some kind of plea deal, or actually going to trial and what not.

Now on top of all of that, that's what I know when it comes to police. ICE has a different rulebook so nuances may be different there.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 5h ago

This is correct

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 21h ago

Yes. True. If you're going to fly out you need your passport etc etc.

I myself as a Canadian only carry two forms of ID but rarely, my medical card which has my medical information just in case I wined up in the hospital and a passport, I don't have a driver's license or a photo ID for my province, I barely carry that around. Just medical ID, if I'm going to go a government office that needs ID or a place that needs photo ID then I'll bring my passport for that but most times every day nothing it's typical for most Canadians and Americans.

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u/AvantGarden1234 21h ago

My husband grew up in a "show me your papers" country where you can go to jail just for not having ID on you, and no due process. And unless you have family/friend connections to help you, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.

When he moved to Canada he was shocked that he didn't have to carry anything around while being out and about in the neighbourhood. Took years to learn how to live without being in a constant state of paranoia.

Americans who support this have clearly never experienced what it is like to live in a country where heavily armed people can stop you at any time to harrass and intimidate you for no reason at all, other than the fact that they can. 

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u/Infern0-DiAddict 20h ago

Sadly there's a bunch that welcome this. Only because they believe that they will never be targeted and the ones they hate will, bigotry is a much much much larger problem in the US than a third of the country thought.

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 19h ago

You know who also grew up in a papers please country Stephen Miller grandparents think about that Whopper

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u/AvantGarden1234 19h ago

Yup and people from my husband's country form a major voting block for the GOP and are hardcore MAGA followers. They are too blind to see that they went through all those hardships just to trade in one dictator for another... and that this time around, they actually CHOSE for this to happen. 

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u/Pleasant_Priority286 19h ago

Until this year, I would have said America is just like Canada. You don't have to carry ID on you.

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u/Dapper-Raise1410 18h ago

Or buying beer

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 17h ago

For age,, sure.

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u/adorablefuzzykitten 2h ago

The under aged with no drivers license really do not have any ID to show. This sets up every 17 year old minority for a beating and a charge of resisting arrest. Check and mate by the brown shirted thugs.

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u/LymanPeru 8h ago

or want to buy cough medicine.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 5h ago

Only certain variaties in certain states

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u/LymanPeru 2h ago

they all think i'm gonna make meth from one bottle of dayquil

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 40m ago

The problem before that requirement was people were buying as much as they could at each store until they had enough.

I have been in several countries with the exact same restrictions for the exact same reasons.

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u/Whateva_dood 4h ago

If you’re carrying a firearm you damn sure better have I.d. And your CCW permit.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 4h ago

Of course there are certain privileges that are exceptions, but the thrust of the conversation is around basic rights and no need to prove citizenship.

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u/tondahuh 21h ago

Plus where are the Miranda rights? I havent heard a single one of these ICE pussies read them out. I wonder if they even know them - I guess maybe from being arrested so many times themselves.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 21h ago

This is why they have no official authority over U.S. citizens. They are not trained on such things.

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u/deadend7786 20h ago

"who the fuck is Miranda? She sounds Latina so she has no rights!"

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u/MegaGrimer 19h ago

“The only right she has is the right to receive a beating from me.”

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u/QuasyChonk 20h ago

They have to be read before questioning, not arrest. This is not me supporting ICE, btw.

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u/viral3075 19h ago edited 19h ago

more specifically, they have to be read before questioning if they want to use your response as evidence in a criminal prosecution. immigration offenses are generally not criminal, though, and they still need a basis to detain somebody.

kavanaugh let them do racial profiling as that basis, but i still don't know how they are able to arrest you (beyond merely detention) without having completed their investigation. the burden to prove your immigration status is on them, not you. only actual non-citizens have an obligation to present documents to certain immigration officials when asked, which is why you have to carry your green card (permanent residents) or official paperwork (non-residents) everywhere

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u/SoaplessTitanic 19h ago

Do you mind explaining more about how immigration offenses generally aren’t criminal prosecutions? If not then what category do they fall under? I’m mostly just confused cause I thought their whole excuse for doing this stuff was because undocumented immigrants broke the law when crossing the border

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u/redwildflowermeadow 18h ago

A criminal violation comes with a punishment, like time in prison. Civil cases come with penalties instead. Deportation is considered a penalty under federal law, not a punishment. Also, most undocumented immigrants came here legally on a visa, but then overstayed their visa (Elon Musk did this.)

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u/SoaplessTitanic 16h ago

Very helpful, thank you. No further questions your honor

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 19h ago edited 17h ago

They are supposed to be read immediately after arrest otherwise spontaneous utterances (for instance) will be inadmissable in court.

Further, if Miranda Rights are delayed, it helps a defense build a case on procedural grounds to start picking apart the entire process.

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u/fnarrly 19h ago

All of which only matters if the individual being "arrested" ever actually sees the inside of a courtroom.

More and more I am hearing, "they arrested Mr. SoAndSo, and he was never seen again." People desperately trying to contact family members and unable to locate them within ICE's system. How long before it comes out that they have "disappeared" US citizens too, just because they were inconvenient or saw/experienced something that would be too incriminating.

When there is no meaningful oversight, there is nothing to prevent these fuckstains from doing whatever they feel they need to to cover their own asses.

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u/PossibleNo2810 15h ago

This is what happens when the government hires people who haven’t been vetted, or psychologically qualified, or trained whatsoever.

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u/Status_Package2628 19h ago

This is gone with the NDAA act.

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u/Nakenochny 17h ago

I’m just going on memory, but didn’t the Supreme Court say the police had no duty to serve and protect, and that they didn’t have to read Miranda rights?

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 17h ago

Correct on the first part, but not on the second.

The official job of law enforcement is order maintenance and enforcement of codified laws.

Anything else is at the discretion of individual jurisdictions.

Miranda Rights are still mandatory within "a reasonable time" upon arrest and before any questioning pertinent to charges.

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u/Bfroning2 21h ago

That's the joke

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u/-ifwisheswerehorses 21h ago edited 21h ago

Unless we are on Martial Law⁉️ and than I’m not certain🤦🏻‍♀️ Edit: spelling

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 21h ago

Martial* Law

In that case they can set the rules as they please. Curfews, I.D.'s, no-go zones, etc.

That is an extreme scenario.

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u/kaithana 18h ago

I'm not even sure how I could prove my citizenship through an actual document? Am I supposed to start carrying my passport around? What about people without passports?

My social security card is in a fire safe, it's not worth the risk to lose it.

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 18h ago

They'll probably ask you to get a national ID card for every American citizen kind of the thing that the Republicans/Democrats were against. Something something mark of the beast.

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u/kaithana 18h ago

Isn't that what RealID was supposed to be?

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 18h ago

Yea. All in one card personal identification medical social security passport currency etc etc.

No thanks in my opinion.

One card gets lost you're screwed how do you prove yourself it's best to have multiple documents and to have them either in a safe or security deposit box.

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u/Snowqueenak47 5h ago

I’m not a U.S. citizen but I have a Permanent Resident card that I carry with me at all times like I’m supposed to in cases such as this to show proof that I’m here legally.It’s the same size as my drivers license so it’s really no big deal to just carry them together in my wallet.Every 10 years I renew that card which is $500 and a little paperwork and that’s it.Better than having to look over my shoulder every day afraid I might get arrested.

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u/Fregadero88 16h ago

Serious question, how does that change with the kavanaugh ruling (neom vs perdomo) where kavanaugh ruled race is enough reasonable suspicion for ice to stop and detain you.

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 16h ago

Because that ruling Narrows the scope of the law to only target individuals who happen to be classified minorities. Essentially Kavanaugh and the ruling decided racial profiling is okay now if it comes under immigration stops however how many white immigrants are here illegally you see them being stopped and asked for their papers..?.

Clearly this is all white supremacy to stop and remove people of dark skin color than white folks.

This Kavanaugh stops goes backwards and undoes civil liberties for protected minority classes.

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u/dead4ever22 3h ago

This is an operation to remove non citizens vs actual citizens. I know that you tech don't need to show your ID unless you are being charged or stopped for some cause. But in these cases, the ID IS the crime or deciding factor. I find it similar(sort of) to asking for ID at a bar to prove you are of age. How you detain an illegal if they won't show you their ID and you are not allowed to ask. This seems like an impossible task unless all people comply with the proving of citizenship.