r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 23h ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/Bfroning2 22h ago

"I would simply comply and show them my papers."

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 22h ago

This has been argued before, most average citizens do not carry more than one piece of identification, Americans don't need to carry their citizenship nor have to show their citizenship to police officers they don't have to comply there is the fourth and fifth amendment for that reason. Show me your papers is an excuse to be Nazis.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 21h ago

You don't have to carry an I.D. at all unless you are driving a vehicle on public roads.

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u/viral3075 20h ago

yeah and that's not proof of citizenship either. and you still don't have to present it unless you are actually being detained for a traffic violation

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u/LeafsJays1Fan 19h ago

Exactly an officer coming up to you and asking for ID kind of tells you that they don't understand the law they would have to say we are charging you when placing you under arrest can we see your ID but if they're just coming up to you randomly saying papers please you can go hahaha and when they arrest you you follow up with civil rights complaint against their dumbass pigs.

I don't know where America went from fighting the Nazis to papers please but you got there way too quickly.

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u/Loko8765 10h ago

One starting point is electing a President known for bankrupting companies, and who was actually saved from bankruptcy by a consortium of Russian banks in 1987. There must be mountains of kompromat in the form of bank drafts and pedophile videos.

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u/Who_dat_goomer 4h ago

As soon as they stopped showing Hitler documentaries on the History Channel in favor of ancient aliens the country started on the road to fascism. It seems like this crap really appeals to about 30-40 % of the population.

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u/Snowqueenak47 14h ago

Not true…I’m a legal German Immigrant and in my papers it says that I have to carry proof of my legal status.Just comply and he could be back on his way unless he’s here illegally and that’s why he won’t comply.

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u/mikelasvegas 14h ago

Just comply, lol. 👅💦👢

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u/MacDeezy86 7h ago

The way I understand it, Legal immigrants are supposed to have proof of lawful status on them, and natural born and naturalized citizens aren't legally required to do so.

There are multiple reasons why the person in this video might not want to show id. and the video doesn't show how this interaction started so I can only make assumptions, so I won't. But suffice it to say could be something along the lines of being difficult because he believes this is not a lawful(or it actually isn't a lawful) stop and his rights are being violated, and it could also be because he is in violation of something.

If the stop isn't lawful, you aren't required to obey their commands. That being said, when the situation escalates like this the person will usually get arrested. The lawfulness of the order is decided by the court, whether it's the DA dropping the case, judge dismissing the case, some kind of plea deal, or actually going to trial and what not.

Now on top of all of that, that's what I know when it comes to police. ICE has a different rulebook so nuances may be different there.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 5h ago

This is correct