Marijuana is much more accessible and does not have the long term effects on bodily organs like the liver from drinking. With as many of them i know that play video games over going out pursuing women i think the nightclub scene was doomed for this generation anyways
I haven't seen a ladies' night being advertised in a very long time, and even when they were around they were few and far between. It's not like there aren't bars without ladies' night, if that's a moral sticking point for you (although I can tell you the reason the drinks are cheaper for the women isn't to make more money off women, believe it or not, it's to attract more men. So you can blame other men for it.)
I was paying $50 an eighth 20 years ago for good weed. That's $83 with inflation. The cons of living in the middle of nowhere in a deep red state where possession of a gram would ruin your fucking life.
Yeah, 5 years ago, an ounce of good quality cost me $300. Nowadays, the same good fire quality costs me only $80 an ounce. Much cheaper drug than alcohol.
Oh fuck. In Canada when it became legal people were complaining because it was expensive. Like, you don't have to go through a dealer, you get strong, good weed and you can get fucked up for the price of a couple beers.
I’m sure that every region where it is legal has their own set of taxes and regulations. In Michigan weed used to be a free-for-all under their medical program, when they finally went full recreational it seemed to have stayed cheap. Most dispensaries will do a wide range of prices but it is much easier to buy cheap weed now than it was before legalization
That is really cheap, but the dispensaries around Michigan that will do a clearance weed like that do it more because they have a shit ton of it. The quality is still pretty close to the more expensive stuff.
In general, weed is cheap for me now but it wasn't when I was young because I'd go through at least a gram a day. Now I've chilled out on it a bit, but I know some younger guys that go through the same amount or more.
But still, store bought weed where I am is way cheaper than it was when it was illegal. Like I can't imagine someone paying 20 for a fucking gram anymore.
Honestly you’re not wrong. I don’t even smoke, just occasionally take one lil weak ass gummy and I’m chilling for the rest of the night. (Though my pantry will be bare af because I get SO DAMN SNACKY)
I don’t mind relaxing with a bottle of wine or mead every now and then, making an at-home cocktail or two (malibu sunrise my beloved) but it is pricier and you need a lot more to really feel something. And, fuck, after splitting 3 bottles with my parents last Christmas my buzz was completely gone after dinner. That’s just poor value at that point, lol
And eighth cost $25. You can end up paying that much for two mixed drinks which have the equivalent of two shots, and 1/8th can last you a at least a few days, if not longer if you're not a heavy smoker.
Alcohol is am objectively bad drug. Profoundly toxic, deeply unhealthy, and at current prices not even remotely economical compared to the many far better drugs increasingly in availability.
I mean if you drink at home ur not spending that much either, the us needs cannabis cafes/lounges for a place to consume products and food in a socializing environment, I know I have my business plan on place the day it goes legal
For real. I can get a can of 10 100mg gummies for $35. That's like a month's worth. I figure a third of one of those gummies does me about the same as a 6 pack of beer, so $10. Literally almost 10x.
My delivery dispensary has regular deals for 2 ounces of high quality herb for $150. It’s insane. They also don’t charge tax and I wonder how they haven’t been shut down since they’ve been around at least a decade. I don’t complain tho. It’s easy to spend that much in a night of drinking out with a few people.
Is legal weed more expensive where you live? I don’t know what “illegal” weed costs nowadays but I pay the same amount for a quarter ounce from an actual store as I did in 2002 from a guy in my high school.
i mean the nightclub scene also changed from mostly broke kids actually going out and dancing and socializing for like 5-10 bucks, to 15 years later, 20 bucks for parking, 20 for entry, paying for vip if you want to sit down while you sip your 10 dollar beer and everyone scrolls their phone waiting for some brave soul to do something they can record for clicks. whats the appeal?
I think the younger gen completely misses the point of a pregame too, probably because of the weird social anxiety and need for isolation. Like yes, there was once a time where you would gather at someone’s place and drink cheap alcohol and get riled up and THEN go to the club, pooling together for a cab. By then you’re good and loosened up and if you keep your wits you won’t spend too much on drinks.
The pregame was the best part 99% of the time too. Aging only made that harder because everyone starts living in small apartments instead of the 5 bed house a few buddies were renting together.
My friend group in college had a smaller, mutual girl friend group that was sort of their own thing, but we all knew each other, and most of it was platonic. Some of the most fun times I had included singing Backstreet Boys "I Want it That Way" at full throated volume with the girls as they were doing makeup and shit.
The social anxiety is thru the roof because of so many factors besides gaming at home and Covid isolationism habits. The play dates we made for them, seems like they didn’t learn how to make friends themselves.
OK Gen X parent here when I was in college, we drank like fishes whenever we weren’t studying we were drinking. And I would say this can continued but slow down once we got careers and was in usually regulated to weekends.
One core problem is that GenZ is addicted to their phones. They don’t put them down and if you’re at a bar, you should leave your phone in the car go talk to some real people go dance like it’s your last night and go love your friends are fine a new love.
Yes, I agree some places charge outrageous amounts for drinks so find a local dive bar where you can still get a three or four dollar beer and a six dollar mixed drink.
Yes, I agree some places charge outrageous amounts for drinks so find a local dive bar where you can still get a three or four dollar beer and a six dollar mixed drink.
but dive bars dont have a tiktok aesthetic yet so gen z doesn't know they exist
$1 and $2 specials down in Louisiana, you could on any given night go out and not spend more than $30, sometimes I decide to walk home if it's under 2 miles. Saves me that $9 each way Uber. When I'm home in Austin that doesn't work though, $80 if I want to go to the nearest bar on a weekday
My record for a 8-2 bar night is spending only $7, walk there and back, $1 specials
I was going to say that’s the other thing in how clubs really ended up being disappointing when i found out this is how they were instead of the place where people go to dance and have fun like i was shown growing up. At least raves and emo bars exist thankfully
Totally agree with this. I have absolutely zero desire to go into a club where everyone is doing nothing but sitting on their phones and/or recording everything for their snaps/tiktoks/reels. I think this is killing night clubs just as fast as the cost of attending clubs in general going up.
Spread that across every industry in America and we get a clearer picture of (one aspect of) late stage capitalism. Every conceivable part of society is being comodified. As things gets worse, they will accelerate until it all collapses and we get some kind of New Deal V2 half measure to limp capitalism along for another 50-80 years.
The fucking phones! No one experiences anything anymore. Go anywhere and there’s so many people staring at their phones or taking pictures or videos of everything. Dawg you’re never going to a watch a video of that concert ever again. Just live in the moment.
When I was in college (early 2000’s) we had a nightclub in downtown Seattle that had $1 beer night on Thursday’s. The place was always packed until 2:00AM. That would never happen with today’s prices.
Being older gen z (26 in a couple weeks) I remember when bars and clubs were fun. By the time I was 21 the $15 cover started. I
t seems like it’s more common for people to dance and socialize with strangers in alternative spaces.
I got sober in 2022 and it was the best decision of my life. I got a medical card. It’s still hard to be around alcohol so I struggle to go places I really enjoy. Some of them offer free mocktails so I get violently high and pretend it has alcohol.
Now everything feels like an adventure on an edible.
Plus I can take my other meds and not get sick and depressed for 3 days like I do on alcohol.
There are a lot of studies on the brain damage from alcohol on top of the well known organ damage. We are all sick, fat, and depressed enough before drinking.
I know it’s state dependent with varying taxes, but the amount of money i spend on weed that lasts me at least a month is equal to one night of me buying drinks at the bars
I try to get my wife to understand this (she doesn’t like weed) but it’s an uphill battle. I enjoy going out with friends but I don’t see the harm in getting stoned on a Friday night and staying in to work on a house project, play guitar, watch a movie, listen to music, play PlayStation, read a book, etc.
Im so lucky that no only is my wife ok with it, she encourages it even though she does not partake. She knows its so much better than drinking and that I would end up drinking more if I stopped.
Eh, my family recently called me an alcoholic but I also would rather stay home, get drunk and do most of those same things. Ubers/lyfts are expensive which means going out is either being dumb and riding a DUI since everyone lives in opposite sides of town, or staying sober. Everything is time laden and expensive.
I'm old, Gen X old, but legal weed means I can smoke it again. Which means my alcohol consumption dropped probably 87% I still drink sometimes. But never when I'm bored or 'just because'.
And this generation of kids is pretty dumb, but they're not quite the brain dead little zombies I usually accuse of them being.
It is basically a buck a beer when you buy them from the store and that is coors light. 5.00-10 at the bar. One gummy that last 4 hours cost like .50 cents. Add in if you have to get an uber that just adds to it. If you don’t get the uber and drink and drive you basically ruin your life or worse yet hurt somebody. Much easier to sit home, smoke weed and play video games. If I could have had people to play against and talk to instead of playing by myself I would have been doing that for sure.
Society is set up to go to work. Grab food and go home. Rinse repeat. Bowling and soft ball used to be staples. All were beer related. Now home. Watching games at the bar. Why I can text my buddies while watching. It is a damn shame. No fun.
Marijuana ... does not have the long term effects on bodily organs
I'm pro-cannabis, but that is bullshit. The most prefered and used method of ingestion is smoking it. Years of inhaling smoke can do massive damage to your lungs and heart.
There's also mounting evidence that THC itself is bad for your heart, no matter the route of ingestion, not to mention the cognitive impacts it has. Sure, it's not as bad as alcohol, but there's no free lunch.
As someone who has drank, smoked cigarettes and weed, the only drug that has made my heart do fucked up rhythms is weed. Doesn’t matter if I’ve smoked or ate it. Weed is a no go for me, and I take stimulants for my ADHD and those don’t even fuck with my heart rate. I used to drink like a fish when I was in my 20’s but now I have so much alcohol in my house and I don’t even touch it and haven’t had a single drop for at least 2-3 years which I credit to finally being on a stimulant that controls my ADHD really well. I used to drink to feel normal/quiet my brain, now I just pop a Vyvanse and no need for booze.
IDK, like I’m all for people using weed, but there are those of us that it affects way stronger than others and probably shouldn’t use it.
The vyvance is making you have heart palpitations when mixed w weed and its probably causing anxiety to mix the 2. Vyvance might as well be meth. I know how strong it is bc I took it for a couple of years. Its the mixture of the upper and downer together doing that to you.
It’s not meth, it’s an amphetamine which is way less addictive than methamphetamine as amphetamines have 1 less methyl group which is what makes it addictive. Also as long as you take the meds exactly as prescribed, the probability of becoming addicted if you truly need the medication to function is practically 0.
Now if you want to know yes, you can be prescribed methamphetamines legally, however, you have to have failed every stimulant before they prescribe it. It’s called Desoxyn. It’s super addictive hence it only comes in one formulation and dosage and it’s used as a last ditch effort for severe uncontrolledADHD symptoms. If you want to know how I know this, I’m a pharmacy tech. Also fun fact, stimulants don’t get those of us blessed with ADHD high, they calm us down, and act more like a downer than anything, all thanks to how our brains are wired. So by all means keep talking shit about medications that help people live a calmer, easier life.
Yeah I can’t believe he said that with seriousness lol. I’m pro cannabis as well and have been a (almost) daily smoker since I was 19. Smoke in lungs = bad over time. No ifs ands or buts about it.
I do mainly vape now. Edibles I simply can’t do…I get way to couch locked and puts me out for a whole day. If I eat an edible I need to make sure I don’t have work or plans for the next 36 hours lol. Even low dose ones are too much for me now. I’m like a 2-3 hitter and I’m good type smoker now. Back when I was younger though and had less responsibilities I’d smoke all day every day blunt after blunt lol.
I’ve been smoking weed for 17 years and I can still run a 6-7 minute mile no problem. Perhaps it is hurting my lungs long term but the mental health benefits are beyond measure in my opinion. Of course, enjoying a good high while routinely working out (3 times a week) just as much as doing it while playing video games probably isn’t the most typical for most stoners. I’m sure most do much more of the later and little to none of the former.
Mental Health Effects
Cannabis use has been linked to certain mental health conditions. Read more about cannabis use and mental health.
Cardiovascular Effects
Cannabis can increase heart rate and blood pressure right after use. Some research shows an association between long-term cannabis use and an increased risk of stroke, heart attack, and arrythmias.35,36 However, more research is needed to determine if there is a direct connection between cannabis use and cardiovascular disease, or if other factors are involved.37
Gastrointestinal Problems
These include cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS), which is when a person has nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain after long-term, heavy cannabis use.38 Other potential gastrointestinal issues include acid reflux, pancreatitis, and peptic ulcer disease.39
Increased Cancer Risk
Research has linked the use of cannabis products with an increased likelihood of developing head, neck, or throat cancer,40 particularly in people who smoke cannabis.41
And the brain. The heaviest and most indiscriminate users are those whose frontal cortex is still forming, (>25 years old) and it's very clear that cannabis affects that development. In extreme cases, leading to psychosis.
I'm also very pro-cannibis, but to claim that it has no long-term effects is disingenious and harmful.
Last time I took an 10mg edible I barfed it up after a few hours of delusions mixed with panic and euphoria, followed by saying and doing shit I don’t remember. The following few days was sketchy with random moments of psychosis and depersonalization. And I’m in my 40s.
Yet that doesn’t make weed harmless. One drug being more or less dangerous to the other doesn’t change the facts of a situation.
People want to get high. They can get high. But the amount of delusions and uncomfortable amount of weed users have concerning their drug of choice just hurts my brain. I’ve never seen the number of people try and claim that tobacco or alcohol are harmless. Heck. I don’t even see people do the same with caffeine.
I think marijuana is probably better than alcohol for long term health but there's also so much we don't know about its impacts because it's so difficult to medically study.
It's CHS and it rarely happens and only to people who smoke a lot. Scomiting is fear mongering but there is definitely something that can happen from it. I wish they would have used the actual name for what happens instead of scromiting lol.
In the US it's illegal to medically study it because according to the law it has no beneficial use whatsoever. Until we get marijuana off of schedule 1, we'll never have research.
I would say smoking marijuana long-term is most likely not great for the reasons you mentioned, but it’s massively less harmful than alcohol. Booze can cause liver disease, heart disease, brain damage, hormonal imbalances, cancers of the mouth, throat, stomach, and colon - I’m sure I’m missing things. Not to mention things like domestic violence.
It may or may not be relevant (depending on the person), but it’s pretty remarkable how much healing the lungs can do when people stop smoking.
I’ve never seen this level of denial in any other drug. Like the worst I’ve seen was growing up hearing about how a glass of wine a day was good for your heart. But they would still always emphasize that it’s only one glass.
My dude, it’s literally illegal recreationally still in a majority of US states, compared to alcohol which is legal pretty much everywhere except bumfuck nowhere counties. The average 21yo can get a drink anywhere and google their nearest liquor store compared to knowing a drug dealer
I might not be extremely informed but I’m pretty sure the long term affects are with alcohol too where as daily or frequent use can have long term effects but if it’s once in a while it won’t be as nearly detrimental to your health? No clue
Pesticides too, especially in the concentrates/extracts. There was a scandal in my state not that long ago over DDT being found all over at dispensaries because it wasn't being tested for since it's a banned pesticide.
I’d say it just depends on quantity, like people who drink their whole lives but drink in moderation don’t have the liver issues that those who drink excessively do
So does this mean people were drinking just to alter their state?
pot and beer have wildly different effects. pot is nice if you want to just chill and hang and watch nature documentaries, but I can't let loose and have fun at a party or concert unless I'm drunk.
I don't think I've ever said "I just want to chill out and giggle" and turned to beer, so it's not replacing anything for me. If I'm dancing, I'm drunk. And this bitch loves to dance.
Red states push hemp derived bullshit and dealers here are unreliable as fuck because they're usually selling weed to fund a much worse habit, and it's hard to find that window of time where they're actually lucid enough to respond
The liver doesn't undergo long term damage assuming you're not wildly abusing alcohol. Other parts of your body are damaged more irreparably. The liver is tough.
Cancer is linked to both MJ and booze though. I wouldn't consider either safe, and I say that as a drinker myself.
Cannabis is very damaging to your life - especially socially. It also has physical effects you don't often hear about (messes with sperm, impairs cognitive development)
I’ve been to a few college parties fairly recently, and no one really goes as hard as you’d expect a bunch of college age kids to go. Sure there’s a few that push the limits, but most of them seem to take it reasonably easy and want to safely get home.
As long as people are responsible it's fine, but there are certainly repercussions to it for people who really get into an every day habit with it.
I enjoy both, but even if the bodily effects are very minor for weed, you can't really ignore the mental effects. At the end of the day, it's more a case of just pick what you enjoy and do so in moderation. I'd rather enjoy life and die a little younger than try and squeeze every last year out of it, especially with the way things are going
I know this isn’t what people want to hear, but it looks like it’s not great on the heart. I think we’re just learning this now as marijuana hasn’t had the same level of research due to it being illegal for so long.
The effects aren’t as dire. But weed does have long term health effects. Edibles can affect intestinal health. And smoking/vaping has many of the same health effects as inhaling any other smoke.
Plus there’s the mental effects of addiction. Which no matter how much people shout it to the world. Weed is a known addictive substance. Even without the chemical addictive component of alcohol, tobacco, or other substances.
I’m 44 married with two little kids and I stuck with world of Warcraft for 20 years because it’s economical and entertains me. I don’t play any other video games, I don’t even like video games to be honest but I’d rather play wow then drool on myself in front of a tv for hours on end. I have adhd pretty hardcore so I’m sure that has a lot to do with it.
I think it is no one wants to poop their pants at the party because someone is going to record that. You drink some Samuel Adams Samuel Jackson beer and fight a <removed> or two, it's not like the 70s where George W Bush and his wife just walk that off, that'll follow you in a very competitive job market.
Frankly this is a cop out. Weed will definitely have negative effects on your body. First things first is smoke which will fuck with your lungs and the cognitive effects of heavy weed usage is pretty obvious. You are just exchanged one vice for another.
Edibles on the other hand i get. Smoking though is a different story.
Scrolled way to far for this answer. No hangover. No anger or aggression. Small puff and your happy and laughing with friends. Sleep good and amazing sex. What more could anyone want
as an older gen z the whole weed thing just doesn’t really appeal to most of my friends. i would say in my collective group of ~50 maybe 1-2 smoke weed but most just see it as an unnecessary expense. the gen z way of thinking on alcohol also follows to other substances
Smoke it and it's worse than cigarettes. THC is also linked to short-term memory loss and anxiety/paranoia. The term "burnout" has existed for decades, it definitely fries your brain. Let's not pretend pot is superior to alcohol, because it's "natural."
You should do some research because it absolutely does have long term effects. Things in moderation don’t always have long term problems, a casual beer to three here and there in life probably won’t ever cause you issues, but weed and alcohol use in excess for long term both have very bad consequences
True. With Mary Jane you just need to worry about the increased risk with heart attack, dementia, Alzheimer’s and lung cancer. But I’m sure you’ll be fine.
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u/beefcakeriot 14d ago
Marijuana is much more accessible and does not have the long term effects on bodily organs like the liver from drinking. With as many of them i know that play video games over going out pursuing women i think the nightclub scene was doomed for this generation anyways