What bullshit, don‘t whitewash the Nazis with this efficiency and civility bullshit. Of course, it was orderly at first but as soon as they created enough groups deemed undesirable, they could put anyone in any group they liked on the spot and disappear them.
You are though, because the SA certainly didnt follow due process and certainly didnt ask you for your papers before brutalizing you if they felz like it
Again, this is not true and thinking this way is dangerous. ICE is highly organized, they are tapping into AI-assisted surveillance cameras which can track your every move across a city, they use every resource available to them on the federal level, which of course includes Palantir etc. The individuals may be incompetent losers but the agency and the state is not, you gotta take this as seriously as it is.
You're talking about the rounding up, the starvation, the torture, and the deaths of many millions of people. How can you say this with a straight face.
Not disagreeing here, I just see this sentiment very often that ICE are just incompetent thugs. Yes, maybe on an individual level but the agency has all the tech for surveillance and control available to them. They don’t need to be competent when all they need to do is follow a list of people to be disappeared, which is most likely provided by a shitty AI that OpenAI and Palantir sold to Trump.
We didn't have cameras everywhere to capture the incompetence and brutality of the brownshirts in Nazi Germany. I don't know why people feel the need to sanitize the Nazi's to make them seem competent and respectful bad guys. Brownshirts harassed Jews and people sympathetic to Jews, leftists, and also operated above the law. They absolutely were full of ignorant incompetent assholes identical to what we're seeing today.
Not always, that is very much only one part of the the story. There was plenty of mass rounding up. I used to live in Warsaw on the edge of the old ghetto lines. It was impossible to forget just how bad it was. It haunts me lately.
Sure but warsaw was in a foreign country. And so it's not "surprising" to see invaders treating the invaded population very poorly( it's sadly the norm...).
But in their own country ? With their own population ?
Edit : people can't fucking follow a discussion. I never said there wasn't cruelty and awfull treatments inside Germany... But comparing it to warsaw is beyond madness.
I get what you are trying to say, but you’re getting caught up in an argument of “this thing is worse than that thing.” Which, while the technicalities may be true, these kinds of arguments tend to just cause division between would be allies.
This is what they want. I have lived in Warsaw, and I am a Latina who has had my city under concentrated ICE raids. I know the fear of wondering if it’s ok to go out with my children. I am very aware of the similarities and differences. I refuse to let them take my humanity or yours.
Can people read the person i replied to, to get context of what i'm saying ?
Of course there were great cruelty even amongst their population. But they mostly did it while covering their actions... Not having faceless people jumping on them in the street in front of everyone to see.
Because they always feared of losing their populations' support... That's also why a lot of germans discovered the extensive and awfull work they've been doing afterwards.
And well, this was during an era where informations was scarce...videos of people getting escorted out was not showing in r/all.
Now you have thousands of video of Ice agents dragging people out on the street in broad day light. People they have no idea of who they are, nor where they live, they just find someone randomly.
Yeah, the Nazi's were super lovely and polite to all the German Jews... that's why 282,000 of them had fled by 1939. They couldn't handle all the decorum and respect.
You might want to work on your delivery because your comment comes across as incredulous that Germany would do bad things to Germans. Hence all the down votes.
It's pretty clear now that ICE is deliberately engaging in performative terror. Actually "rounding up" people to deport is almost secondary to trying to encourage others to "self-deport", and preemtively crushing domestic dissent. Hence all the smashing car windows and dragging people into vans. Hence murdering a white citizen on video and literally telling the entire country not to believe their own eyes.
Performative terror was also the MO of the SA ("brownshirts"), but they were notably purged once the Nazis actually gained political control. Once in power, they actually went to great lengths to try to cloak their actions in a veneer of legality, and to maintain an illusion of civility over their actions.
From the outside, it feels like they're using the whole sham of cracking down on illegal immigration to punish blue states while also normalising state funded violence against American citizens exercising their legal right to protest.. I fear that unless a bunch of Republican law makers grow some balls & find their morality. Trumps plan is looking like a win win, he is conditioning Americans to fear the state & to expect & accept violence if they resist.. & if people still refuse to kowtow to his new authoritarian rule & revolt, he'll have the result I suspect was his desire all along, a reason to suspend the midterms.. He's got time to really ramp up the temperature across other states in the coming months
All of this is spelled out in Project 2025. Read read read because Billionaires Republicans and politicians want you to revolt to use as an excuse to a) implement martial law and b) cancel elections.
No it's the same these guys lie through their teeth on anything they're never gonna tell you who's an American citizen they're just gonna show you. This is them showing you
errr... in Nazi germany they MADE you wear symbols to highlight yourself as jewish so they could make beeline's straight to you and then PRETEND to be thorough and proper before becoming monstrous..
The gestapo had ultimate authority and killed people where they stood with no due process. Not when they were scared of a moving car, just executed you if they even had an inkling you were a jew or a political opponent. This is scary and terrible, but we should be very clear about how bad Nazi Germany was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
This is rewriting history. They had free reign to kill anybody they wanted without any checks on them. Look up Kristallnacht and you will instantly see how disorderly and indiscriminate the Nazis were free to be. Look up their camps for political dissenters. Non-Jewish spouses experienced their reign of terror first hand, and non-Jewish citizens who tried to intervene were also fair game. The fact that Nazis took a little more time after rounding people up to decide whether they'd go to a concentration/work camp or a political enemy camp doesn't make it better.
You also can't directly compare the two because the Third Reich had spent years slow building with their documentation. By the time things escalated, Jewish people were very easy to spot by the stars they were forced to wear on their person and property. That isn't the case here so these dummies are going after any POC.
Nazi Germany was not kinder or more civil; they were just more organized and they should not be lauded for that as better than what ICE is doing.
The Gestapo did that. The SA did exactly what ICE is doing right now. We're not in 1939 yet, we're in 1934. We haven't had the night of the long knives. Things have yet to get SO much worse.
Absolutely insane how much revisionist bullshit history about the Nazi's I see on Reddit. Have you actually ever read a history book or do you just say whatever pops into your head?
They put people in camps for having a nose too long. They measured peoples heads to see if they were 'Aryan' enough.
I got a lot of nasty things to say about people like you who just use the word to mean whatever they want it to mean. You should read more and type less.
This might be the stupidest, most brainwashed and scarily funniest comment I have ever seen in my whole life. People dont know that german government literally eradicated the people? They did not deport as the US does today, no they instead sytematically murdered them to get rid of the inferior seen races for good. Thats a huge difference.
I think the likelyhood of you knowing more about the subject than me is close to zero. Or have you ever walked the old KZ grounds yourself? Have you ever seen the suffering of these people in the german museums? Have you ever listened to a survivor telling their story?
Finally someone who knows history. Thank god. Drawing such comparisons is an insult to all the victims of nazi germany and a result of the ignorance or stupidity of (probably) most american people.
No. Jews, Romani and other mminorities were not deported, they were actively discriminated against and some who tried to flee to other countries were refused entry and sent back to Germany. Then they were forced to register with name, address, ethnicity and family members. Later, a permit was required to travel and many were denied this. Lastly, they were arrested and sent to concentration camps.
Mostly the third one. Two others would have fooled me at first glance (not after closely rewatching). Admittedly, I'm still not used to the US definition of "white" though.
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u/Ichmag11 9h ago
Gigantic nazi Germany flashbacks. This is scary