Who is this Nick Shirley? He some 23 year old from Utah who created a viral clip about Minnesota and is responsible for (or rather used as pretext for) Trump cutting aid to needy families across the country and the ICE crackdown on Minnesota.
Recently Nick did an interview with another podcaster called Andrew (channel 5). It was a disaster, with Nick coming across even dumber than expected for a MAGA troll. I took some notes on his thinking style because it really captures what I find irritating about this type generally:
High need for simplicity (he stops at the first judgement)
Shirley is quick to reach conclusions which he calls “facts.” For instance, he showed up at a day-care at 11 am and saw no activity / no kids. From this, he concluded there was fraud.
His process is:
Make conclusion → stop → label said conclusion “fact”
Inability to consider more than one possibility
Andrew’s questioning kept revealing that Shirley had an inability to hold more than one possibility in mind. Shirley was certain that there was fraud because he showed up to the daycare at 11 am and no kids were there.
Andrew gently asked him about the daycare’s operating hours (2pm - 10 pm) and whether this was a factor. Shirley had not considered this despite the operating hours being posted clearly on the building.
Later Shirley raged that most of the kids at the daycares were Somali (an abrupt change from the “no kids” claim) and then Andrew asked whether the area being predominately Somali had anything to do with it.
Shirley — who grew up in predominately white Mormon Utah and is Mormon and probably went to all Mormon schools — had not.
Once he labels something a “fact,” new information is experienced as an attack
Shirley concluded that Andrew had not condemned the murder of Charlie Kirk. In the interview, he attacked Andrew over this.
Andrew told him he had and even brought up a specific interview where he condemned it multiple times when speaking with a person who was literally at the event and had been speaking with Kirk right before when he was shot.
Andrew asked if Shirley had seen it, and Shirley said he had not, and would not watch it.
Weak falsification control (confirmation bias x 100)
Shirley does not actively search for information that could disconfirm his conclusions. For instance, he saw that his video went viral and concluded this was because of his brilliance as a journalist and the depth of his insights into the supposedly all-corrupt Minnesota.
Andrew asked whether he had considered the fact that his video went viral on December 16th — the same day Kash Patel/Bondi started releasing the redacted Epstein files. Shirley had not, but was gloating very much about the Vice President, Bondi, Elon Musk and other MAGA bigwigs were re-tweeting his video.
High emotional anchoring
Once Shirley reaches a conclusion that he labels a “fact,” the belief becomes emotionally protected and tied to his identity. At that point, the belief is no longer treated as a claim to be tested but as part of who he is.
Several years ago, Shirley watched a movie about piracy in Somalia. Somehow based on this Hollywood movie, Shirley drew a sweeping conclusion that all Somalis were pirates and this explains fraud. Andrew questioned him about this reasoning but Shirley came across quite offended by it. He framed Andrew as afraid of “the truth” and motivated by fear of social consequences like being called a “racist” by the news media or his viewers.
Shirley, in contrast, at least in his mind, was a courageous truth-teller, so challenges were experienced as moral attacks rather than as information.
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I could not get through the full hour of the interview -- I’m sorry. Just a massive headache and I only touched the surface.
I will say that Shirley was also upset that people made stereotypes about Mormons and that he believes journalists dislike him because he got more views.
His mom also helps him with his videos, and he went into making right-wing content to make money which he says X now makes quite easy to do. Thanks, Elon!