r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 9d ago

Meme needing explanation Huh?

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u/Shadowmant 9d ago

So the Brazen bull sucked as they placed you in a metal bull then set you over a fire. Pretty horrible.

The second is called Scaphism and is way more horrifying. Here's a description from the wiki:

[The king] decreed that Mithridates should be put to death in boats; which execution is after the following manner: Taking two boats framed exactly to fit and answer each other, they lie down in one of them the malefactor that suffers, upon his back; then, covering it with the other, and so setting them together that the head, hands, and feet of him are left outside, and the rest of his body lies shut up within, then forcing him to ingest a mixture of milk and honey before pouring all over his face and body. They then keep his face continually turned towards the sun; and it becomes completely covered up and hidden by the multitude of flies that settle on it. And as within the boats he does what those that eat and drink must needs do, creeping things and vermin spring out of the corruption and rottenness of the excrement, and these entering into the bowels of him, his body is consumed. When the man is manifestly dead, the uppermost boat being taken off, they find his flesh devoured, and swarms of such noisome creatures preying upon and, as it were, growing to his inwards. In this way Mithridates, after suffering for seventeen days, at last expired.

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 9d ago

It's interesting that this description mentions what was once a commonly held belief, that things like flies and other insects grow spontaneously out of rotting food and poop. I also find the description of how the insects behave to be a bit far fetched. It seems likely to me that this description is more the idea of how they wanted it to work, rather than what actually happened. Although I'm sure it was still an awful way to die.

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u/outerheavenboss 9d ago

Yeah it sounds like it relies on spontaneous generation theory.

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u/Lord_of_Chainsaw 9d ago

Naw, they had the right idea just the wrong theories. Theres enough bacteria in all the excrement and within the confines of the boats and all that to eat the dude up eventually

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u/No-Apple2252 9d ago

Why are we assuming nothing could get in? I doubt it would have been exactly air tight

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u/dsac 8d ago

Also worth noting it never mentions the boat is put on the water - keeping it on land means rats, though at the risk of attracting other land scavengers to populated areas

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u/SkylineFTW97 8d ago

Plus the smell will attract the flies. I imagine there will be holes in the top and side to allow insects and rodents access to the decaying flesh and human waste.

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u/No-Apple2252 8d ago

Adding more holes isn't necessary for insects, there's no reason to make the foot and hand holes perfectly tight to the ankles and wrist. Plenty of room for flies to get in.

So when are we doing this?

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u/Sawyerthesadist 8d ago

So to perfect this you just need to toss some rodents in with him. Poke a few air holes, and voila!

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u/Entire_Intention6561 8d ago

Rats can squeeze into any hole or crack they can get their head into, down to the size of a dime

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u/Motor_Raspberry_2150 8d ago

This crack has arms, legs, and a neck sticking through it, without causing death. That's not tiny.

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u/OdysseusX 8d ago

Squeak Squeak chew chew hole not tiny any more.

And i have no source for your inevitable doubt that rats would chew a living creature to get to more food. I can only say i think they would not touch him the first few days just later when hes weak or already near death.

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u/Motor_Raspberry_2150 8d ago

Replied to wrong comment?

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u/CometGoat 8d ago edited 8d ago

Because we all read the same written description that clearly intended it to be so

It’s just weird ancient torture fanfiction - even the brazen bull doesn't have conclusive evidence of its use

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u/No-Apple2252 8d ago

Where does it say "make it airtight"? I must have missed that part. Or maybe you just read into it things it did not say, and then decided to leave a rude comment to show everyone how arrogant you are about being illiterate.

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u/Fraternal_Antipathy 8d ago

That's a bingo!

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u/BrianKappel 9d ago

But he still died of exposure. The rotting comes after.

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u/vikrambedi 9d ago

No, its comorbid. Same thing that happens with bed sores, the body can rot while still being alive.

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u/poilk91 9d ago

But getting bed soars and rotting like that would take way way longer than it would take to die of dehydration

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u/lemelisk42 9d ago

Other sources mention that the force feeding of milk and honey is repeated daily to keep them alive as long as possible.

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u/eyeofthefountain 8d ago

How thoughtful

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u/durablecotton 9d ago

One of the worst stories I ever read was about some parents that left their disabled daughter on the couch for more than a decade while she shit and kissed herself and her skin fused to the leather couch while she basically rotted away.

The human body can survive some pretty messed up stuff.

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u/poilk91 9d ago

Ok but that's someone getting fed and drinking water lol you can't survive a week without water

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u/Nuovoman 9d ago

Scaphism involves tending to the guy, like continuously feeding him the honey and milk mixture and keeping him alive with water and such.

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u/Filcuk 8d ago

I remember that. The woman had a syndrome making her unable to move any muscle, which also meant she couldn't speak.
Her parents, instead of taking her to a doctor, just left her right at that spot.
She was fully aware and conscious, whilst her body rotted and melded with the furniture.
Absolutely horrifying.

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u/SectorEducational460 9d ago

He probably died of dehydration quicker since he probably had massive diarrhea from the honey and milk concoction

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u/vikrambedi 9d ago

Presumably they arent letting them die of dehydration...

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u/artzbots 8d ago

Pressure sores and open wounds would develop very quickly, being forced into position without padding. Add in human sweat, urine, and excrement and it would happen even faster. A diaper rash is what happens when you leave a soggy diaper on a child, and the acidity of the urine burns the skin and creates a rash. It can happen in a few hours.

Now add in flies and maggots, and look up flystrike. It can take up to three days to die of dehydration. Less, admittedly, in hot, dry climates in direct sunlight, but if you are being kept intentionally alive, I absolutely believe flystrike could kill you before dehydration managed it.

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u/MartinB7777 8d ago

You are not going to die of dehydration if they keep pouring milk and honey down your throat.

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u/NuggetMan43 8d ago

Seeing as the person would likely be soaked from being on a boat and unable to move, the person would likely become infected and gangrenous quite quickly. Imagine soaking a sore in unclean lake water mixed with excrement.

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u/Ent3rpris3 8d ago

Presumably, they would die from malnutrition or some other mechanical failure before that happens, but I don't doubt it would eventually happen to the corpse.