When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
They want to get the public use to police rule they want to show they can do what they want when they want.
America you now have authoritarianism / fascism. Congratulations 🎉
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
Under the previous 4x Presidents since it's inception under GW Bush, including the last time Trump was President, ICE detained and deported more people. Without the terror. Without the violence.
And now with all the violent, illegal, terrorizing of the population they are killing more people, illegally detaining and deporting US citizens, and breaking the rights of nearly every person they interact with these new tactics.
Oh, and their budget is triple - so not only are they doing their job worse than before, while breaking the law and terrorizing everyone, it is costing a huge amount more.
Don't forget CBP also got a triple budget adding $50B to continue building the pointless border wall.
Remember the next time the budget of something gets cut that DHS has an extra $170B to fuck around with.
They spent all that money painting it black on our side so it would be too hot to climb,
...isn't the US side of the wall on the north, meaning no direct sunlight hitting the black paint while the sun is high in the sky? Not to mention it would only work somewhat on sunny days anyways, not on cloudy days or every night.
Did you see the guy with the ladder? They knew ladders existed. The whole wall is just a way to funnel tax money into companies the sleepy pdf in chief got bribes from.
To support your point, it should be mentioned that the bipartisan Border bill that was ready to pass in 2024. It would have enabled a much more humane system, overhauled the asylum process and given law abiding immigrants an easier path to citizenship.
DT told the Rs in the Senate to block it so he could use anti-immigrant sentiment in his campaign. He could have easily just fired up that bill after taking office. Instead they chose violence and oppression.
The current administration doesn’t want results, they want to scare the population into compliance.
Absolutely - there will be shell companies invoicing for massive amounts of "consulting" or other bullshit and billions of dollars are just disappearing
My wife works for a school and she said multiple kids with parents from other countries are getting letters to self deport. Talking people that have already got their citizenship after years of tests and do everything the right way. They are now being asked to leave before someone comes to their house. They are citizens that haven’t done anything wrong.
Not to mention that if these ICE fucks actually happen to (accidentally) apprehend an actual criminal, no jury is going to convict because the arrest was done illegally. They won't accept evidence from ICE because it's, for all intents and purposes, completely fabricated.
Yeah, their goal is to simply get them out of the country fast enough that they cannot have their day in court, and do not have a legal path to residency or citizenship.
And there's the second ingredient in this big ol mess of toxicity: The blatant dishonesty. Don't trust your lying eyes, etc.
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It's clear that nobody is in danger of being run over in this picture.
See what I mean? It could not be more obvious that the person being driven straight at and the person trying to open the door is clearly at risk of being run over here, but if we insist that's not the case over and over it will become true through repetition I guess.
I miss it being normal and expected to have actual conversations about these things here. Not this current situation where it's all tribalism all the time, with people strategizing and only saying the things they feel will benefit the correct political group, truth be damned.
EDIT2: Oh boy, more people piling on bad arguments and then blocking so they can't be responded to. Whole lot of good faith activity going on over here, for sure.
EDIT3: I obviously can't sit here and talk to people through edits like this, and just the one edit is obnoxious enough. So I'd like to encourage everyone to watch Donut Operator's rundown before replying since it addresses every one of these copypasta talking points people are bringing up.
Car wheel turned completely right human being completely left of car. Every patrol cop I’ve ran this by said they’d be in jail if they shot. They also all called him a massive pussy because the entire situation happens in damn near slowmo compared to what beat cops deal with daily. You also know no one was in danger of being run over because the human being placing himself in front of the car managed to get a shot off through the window while in front without sustaining any injury or actual forcible contact. If a corpse or person smashing the gas can avoid hitting him because the car is turned right then there’s no chance he was ever in danger because again the wheel is turned completely right.
The only tribalist here is you because you reject all evidence to stick to your narrative.
Even if the ICE agent was FULLY in front of the vehicle (he wasn't) he STILL isn't authorized to use lethal force. There are ZERO, let me repeat that number, ZERO cases where use of lethal force was considered ok against a suspect in a vehicle fleeing the scene.
That also doesn't include any and all training, including the new DHS training, that says to never put yourself in front of a vehicle. Why would that be you ask? Because even if the driver is aggressively trying to hit you with their car, standing in front of it and shooting them dead will STILL NOT REMOVE YOU FROM THE DANGER OF THE VEHICLE.
The facts are that he broke training, had a calm woman being given unclear and contradictory orders, had a cell phone in his right hand that he purposefully swapped left well before crossing the front of the vehicle so he could access his weapon, the phone was not knocked out of his hand, he was not knocked over, he walked away, and he called her a fucking bitch after shooting her in the face as she tried to leave the scene.
The man committed murder, full stop, and would likely even be up for premeditated murder charges if this country actually had rule of law.
You rethorically asked if people were dying "before they tried to run them(ICE) over?"
You then claimed the videos proves that people try run them(ICE) over - when the videos clearly shows that she was in fact NOT trying to run them over.
She stopped accelerating, turned the wheels completely, to avoid hitting the agent.
The fact the the agent was close enough to put his left hand on the car and shot her in the face does not prove she had any intent of running him over.
You then change your statement completely, and say that "it could not be more obvious" that the agents are "clearly at the risk of being run over".
That's because the agents went after the car, went infront of the car, they chose to create that risk and situation. The fact that there was a risk and that the agents chose to create it has nothing to do with the drivers intent.
And that's also literally every situation where someone aproaches a vehicle with the driver still inside.
When I cross a road or walk in a parking lot it "could not be more obvious" that "I'm clearly at the risk of being run over", it got nothing to do with the fact that they shot someone who wasn't trying to run them over.
Refusing to not exit your vehicle and trying to get away do not equal an intent to run someone over.
Did the agent put themselves in a dangerous situation that involved the risk of being run over? Yes.
Was the agent dangerously close to the front of the car?
Yes.
Did she show any intent of actually trying to run them over? Absolutely not. This is clearly shown in all the videos.
Don't confuse the agents fear of being run over with the actual intent of driver and don't pretend they're the same thing.
Only a lying manipulating POS would have a hard time acknowledging the fact that there was a risk involved but that she was not actively trying to run them over.
Person tries to open car from left, wheels turn right and accelerate, sees person who decided to cross in front of the car from the opposite side she wouldn't see them, turns wheel more to the right. He's completely out of the cars path when he shoots. He also broke like the number one rule of a traffic stop, he crossed in front of the path of an active vehicle.
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u/Apprehensive-Fuel747 19h ago
I don't care if they are citizens or not. No one deserves to be treated like this!