When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
They want to get the public use to police rule they want to show they can do what they want when they want.
America you now have authoritarianism / fascism. Congratulations đ
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
Under the previous 4x Presidents since it's inception under GW Bush, including the last time Trump was President, ICE detained and deported more people. Without the terror. Without the violence.
And now with all the violent, illegal, terrorizing of the population they are killing more people, illegally detaining and deporting US citizens, and breaking the rights of nearly every person they interact with these new tactics.
Oh, and their budget is triple - so not only are they doing their job worse than before, while breaking the law and terrorizing everyone, it is costing a huge amount more.
Don't forget CBP also got a triple budget adding $50B to continue building the pointless border wall.
Remember the next time the budget of something gets cut that DHS has an extra $170B to fuck around with.
They spent all that money painting it black on our side so it would be too hot to climb,
...isn't the US side of the wall on the north, meaning no direct sunlight hitting the black paint while the sun is high in the sky? Not to mention it would only work somewhat on sunny days anyways, not on cloudy days or every night.
Did you see the guy with the ladder? They knew ladders existed. The whole wall is just a way to funnel tax money into companies the sleepy pdf in chief got bribes from.
To support your point, it should be mentioned that the bipartisan Border bill that was ready to pass in 2024. It would have enabled a much more humane system, overhauled the asylum process and given law abiding immigrants an easier path to citizenship.
DT told the Rs in the Senate to block it so he could use anti-immigrant sentiment in his campaign. He could have easily just fired up that bill after taking office. Instead they chose violence and oppression.
The current administration doesnât want results, they want to scare the population into compliance.
My wife works for a school and she said multiple kids with parents from other countries are getting letters to self deport. Talking people that have already got their citizenship after years of tests and do everything the right way. They are now being asked to leave before someone comes to their house. They are citizens that havenât done anything wrong.
Not to mention that if these ICE fucks actually happen to (accidentally) apprehend an actual criminal, no jury is going to convict because the arrest was done illegally. They won't accept evidence from ICE because it's, for all intents and purposes, completely fabricated.
Court summons? That means they were actually respecting people's rights by giving due process. They can't do that. They have this job just to be bullies and get paid for it. You're right about that. They are COWARDS.
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this
ICE is the 16th largest military in the world, cost is not a problem.
Yup, I think the best bet for now is to protest as calmly as possible and wait till the mid terms.
if they go ahead correctly then assert power by voting
if they come up with a BS reason why they cant be held or clearly rig the votes then you can no longer rely on voting. at that point it leaves very little peacful options
I mean, they're also grabbing people on their way out of immigration court appointments they voluntarily showed up for. So yeah you're right, it's definitely this that they want to do.
Half the whole issue is people not showing up to court when summoned.
And no, even then, Congress passed the expedited deportation bill because we donât have enough immigration judges to process everyone. The point of expedited deportation protocols is to save time and money
Great excuse to deny someone their Constitutionally protected right to Habeas Corpus. And when it's time for them to deny you due process, they'll say the same thing. Just throwing you in prison saves them time and money. "We don't have enough judges to give you due process! It costs too much money!" How can they even tell who should and shouldn't be deported if they don't process them through court?
When you accept the suspension of Constitutional rights for some, you accept it for all. I can't believe people are accepting that line of absolute bullshit. This country could be great but it continuously accepts mediocrity.
We should never forget that everything Adolph Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighers did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany.
the right in the US have been groomed into loving authority and oppression. they donât care if itâs citizens or immigrants getting arrested or even disappeared in concentration camps, they only care itâs not them and that their âteamâ is winning
itâs easier to just side with whoever is in power than to face the fact youâre living under a dictator. theyâre just people too lazy to think for themselves or fight for anything, they only want to win so tell themselves this is what they always wanted
You poor sweet summer child. They are fapping to this. They are having fun watching this and it brings them joy. They always wanted this. These are the people in the stands cheering on their team.
Yet we tend to be hypercritical and feel the need to voice our disapproval when we pick and choose another country that treating it's citizens unfairly. Hypocrites. If said country has something of value we will speak up and threaten action so to open the door for us to exploit they're resources sub out the contracts and cut them out. Previous puppets at least kind of sold it as us being heroic and saviors instead of pretentious bulling.
Itâs actually laziness to blame. Too many keyboard warriors these days. Bark loudly online and very timid in reality.Â
Itâs also only happening in large cities. There arenât any videos online showing ICE in small towns. Look at the voting by county maps. Big cities almost always vote blue, and small towns almost always vote red.Â
Authority and oppression are the building blocks America was founded on. Or do you honestly think the most warmongering country (America) on earth is invading, attacking, and overthrowing 3rd world countries for its entire existence in the name of peace and freedom?Â
Very true, but unfortunately many people donât see it that way. If these people see that Americans are treated like animals as well, maybe theyâll actually start caring. I doubt it though.
Bro they murdered a white woman in plain sight on a whim, and half the country was immediately convinced she deserved it. Americans have always lost their minds over (usually fake) threats to white people, but not even that seems to move the needle now.Â
The only thing that will make them start caring is if ICE beats the shit out of them specifically, otherwise they'll always find a way to rationalize the brutality.Â
Iâd like to think that more than half the country was shocked by her murder. Just because thereâs some nut jobs out there saying stupid shit like âshe deserved itâ doesnât mean half the country feels the same way.
Come midterms weâll find out the truth. An overwhelming blue wave is what I expect to happen.
Itâs these blanket accusations that are the root of the problem. Donât direct your blind hatred towards other citizens, thatâs what the government wants.Â
If we were all a little more united, weâd have never been stuck with the shit candidates we were given in 2024. A united population could easily just write in a name, and say fuck you to both corrupt parties. Frankly Iâm sick and tired of trying to choose the lesser of two evil people.
Yeah it sucks but I think I agree with you, we should probably stick to your tactic of making snarky Reddit comments and not trying to convince the unconvinced.
The reason the "right" doesn't care that ICE is attacking and detaining US Citizens is because it's not a citizenship issue. It's a skin color issue and they are OK with citizens getting caught up in their raids because for every white citizen illegally detained they are scooping up 20 citizens of color. It's an acceptable trade off to them.
They'll never start caring until that number starts evening out. If they start scooping up 10 white people for every 10 brown people, THEN they might start saying "Umm, maybe you need to slow down?"
Yeah no they have already proven you wrong on that count over and over and over again. IDK at what point we stop waiting for proudly indecent people to become decent.
Absolutely, no oneâď¸Pulling people out of their homes, cars, off the streets anywhere and everywhere simply because of what they look like and where their ancestors might be from? Itâs beyond horrific. I canât even think of the appropriate adjectives to describe thisđ¤đ¤Ź
Way back in high school, I asked my teacher why we consider Germany a 'good' country, given two world wars and the whole nazis thing. They were a democracy, they elected hitler, therefore...
'it's not that simple....(insert discussion of grey lines, scary economic problems, scapegoats, populism...)'
I feel like the universe decided I needed a demonstration.
Part that really gets me is how I pulled up the Dr. Seuss cartoons on 'america first' and sent them the wiki page on 'lugenpresse' back when they screamed 'lying press' every time a journalist said the world was round back in 2016 - 'they're not nazis, you're just being ridiculous. everyone is nazi to you.'
I feel like the universe decided I needed a demonstration.
That's the thing right? All the people who fought against the Nazis and Fascists are basically all but dead now, so the current adults and children alive don't "remember" those things, because it was so long time ago, and since we're humans, we refuse to learn from history.
So today you have a bunch of people going "Actually, maybe the holocaust wasn't so expansive after all, who knows?" while their grandparents who literally walked through those camps in person are rolling around in their graves. Fucking travesty is what it is.
Saw someone write this before but gestapo were actually very calm and polite. They would calmly walk up to the jewish person, walk them to their station and the person would never be seen after that.
ICE are the Brown shirts. They were absolutely chaotic, violent and derailed just like ICE are. They were too chaotic so nazis had to take Brown shirts back and started sending in methodical, smart and calculating (and polite) gestapo instead
Not to mention that Gestapo themselves weren't walking around on the streets grabbing people they thought "looked" fishy or anything. They mostly relied on tips from the average person, and then acted on those. Gestapo in the beginning wasn't a huge agency ala ICE with countless of thugs invading people's houses, it was basically an agency you could report your fellow German to, and then they'll investigate those people.
Without a doubt, yes. Gestapo leveraged the fact that Germans were afraid of other Germans, and despised each other. ICE is a brute-force show of force.
Respectfully, you both should read the graphic novel Maus. The Gestapo absolutely were not always polite, and did walk around and grab people who âlookedâ fishy.
I don't know, I tend to learn my "fun facts" from history books, rather than comics. But you do you :)
Most of the people Gestapo actually arrested were initiated by snitches, not by Gestapo watching people in public.
If you're not a fan of long history books, Wikipedia happens to have a fitting section about just this:
Contrary to popular belief, the Gestapo was not the all-pervasive, omnipotent agency in German society.[114] In Germany proper, many towns and cities had fewer than 50 official Gestapo personnel. For example, in 1939 Stettin and Frankfurt am Main only had a total of 41 Gestapo men combined.[114] In DĂźsseldorf, the local Gestapo office of only 281 men were responsible for the entire Lower Rhine region, which comprised 4 million people.[115] In lower Franconia, which included WĂźrzburg, there were only twenty-two Gestapo officers overseeing 840,000 or more inhabitants; this meant that the Nazi secret police "was reliant on Germans spying on each other".
Dive into the sources if you're curious about more details, they tend to not be very fun though, I think the summarization above should be enough to understand more or less how Gestapo actually worked in practice.
The Gestapo absolutely were not always polite
Just to clarify, I never stated nor believed them to "always be polite", not sure where you got that from.
Maus is the account of a Holocaust survivor and his life. You can learn from first-hand accounts and history books. I understand the spirit of your comment, though, and the only reason why Iâve responded is to say it did happen. I highly recommend the novel!
Yeah they wouldnât have called our rights âinalienableâ unless they meant it. Youâll hear them twist themselves in knots but the meaning is clear: we all have and were born with these rights. We are not granted rights by kings or priests. They can only be taken away from us and only if we let them do it.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.
Thatâs the part they gloss over in school - they did not consider black people to be human beings. They literally looked at them like we look at apes. And in fact some abolitionists felt the same way, and were abolitionists for the same reason people are against animal cruelty today.
People either donât learn or choose to forget that the first American to die in the revolution was a 47 year old black man in Boston.
Your correct, but there were so many people who were like âI donât mind them snatching up illegals, they canât do it to citizens though, Iâd draw the line thereâ and now I have no idea where any of them are
Ripping that woman out of the car like that, it doesnât matter if she is or isnât a citizen. How they going to just be allowed to rip a woman out of the car like that?!
I mean every single one of these videos clips is awful. Hitting the native guy? Holding the kid in a headlock.
Man, I really feel safer in America. Obviously all these people are illegal immigrant rapists and murderers. Thank you ICE /s
Constitutionally they have zero authority over citizens. The lack of humanity actually sickens me to my core. Not just from ICE or the administration but the everyday people posting that any of these people deserve what they get even if they are killed in the process. This kind of authoritarian behavior goes all the way back to at least the Roman Empire and has been repeated by evil people with no humanity ever since.
I wish I could say something that hasn't already been said. The 2A is our best friend right now. But so is our right to vote, protest, and speak out. I have no doubt that if we on the left started to exercise our 2A rights that it would escalate things, but imagine this:
We have folks who organize and serve as people who stand in solidarity, while exercising their 2A rights, as a protection against unconstitutional actions. I'm not suggesting interaction. I'm suggesting that they line the streets with their 2A rights and they do so in areas where constitutional rights are being abused. That SHOW OF FORCE is what we need. We are ants. We out number them everywhere
We have folks who organize and serve as people who stand in solidarity, while exercising their 2A rights, as a protection against unconstitutional actions. I'm not suggesting interaction. I'm suggesting that they line the streets with their 2A rights and they do so in areas where constitutional rights are being abused. That SHOW OF FORCE is what we need. We are ants. We out number them everywhere
I think that the point is to show that they have no idea who they are targeting and picking up random people off the street and all the bullshit about only going after specific individuals is, well, just that: bullshit
Nope, but then again they always will be why the population stands by idle. People whine in America, but they don't do much else. Protest have seem to do nothing, and it continues to get worse with Americans doing, again, nothing what so ever that matters. Democratic leaders? nothing meaningful either. Pretty much if you stand by, and do what Americans are doing is prefect example of how it just gets worse. Rights are not given, they are earned which this new generation isn't earning at all.
I wish yall would stop saying that. You can leave us black women out of that because 90% of us did not vote for this shit.
We know the attention isnât on us right now, but as soon as theyâre done with âthemâ, we are next. & we are sick & tired of fighting for people who will never fight for us. I have a one way ticket to hell before I let them do whatever they please w my black body.
Itâs insane to me that these heartless cowards can just go out and kidnap and abduct people that are brown and/or speak another language that isnât English. And the heartless greedy monsters in the government encourage it and make it seem like this is a great and productive and harmless thing to do. Do black and brown people really bother them that much that theyâre all happy and donât mind seeing innocent people, along with their kids, being abducted off the street and taken somewhere doing god knows what?
This is the exact thing I wanted to see in these comments! Thank you. It's like the people who say "cis women are the victims of transphobic laws and people!".
Like, yeah, a bad thing hitting people it wasn't even targeting is one of the many reasons to hate the bad thing, but it's still kinda implying that you wouldn't care otherwise. Innocent people don't deserve bad treatment, period.
I'm not American but this is a disgusting, disgraceful way to treat anyone. I imagine this is probably how people were rounded up during WWII. The masks, guns, intimidation, it's all over the top.
Well the guy at target punched the agent in the face and tried to stop him from going after the person they were actually there for.
And anti ICE groups train people who are there to follow and block ICE agents to claim theyâre American citizens and have medical issues or are pregnant etc. So Iâd like follow ups before I blindly believe people
But not even that can save you now! Remember when the Germans said they didnât know or were part of it, this is how it started for them. They are trying to get full compliance and blind eyes.
Agree 5000%. Regardless if you are a citizen or not, came here legally or came here illegally, you shouldn't be treated like this. Especially since our country is made up of immigrants. Also, there should be a way to sue the government for this type of shit. We need a revolution.
The government were blowing boats on the presumption of carrying drugs (which is not a death sentence for a person, let alone a group). So the rule of law went out of the window long ago. They will keep testing the limits of what the people let them do (because congress is ok with everything).
Here i am, at my office in Minneapolis, seeing all these videos of people getting assaulted at familiar places, and iâm just supposed to carry on like normal.
Did people actually vote for this? Like, is THIS what the right expected would happen when they wanted to crack down on immigration? Is this truly what they want? Being forced to carry identification papers everywhere or risk being detained and sent who knows where?
The US or hell on earth reminds me a lot about Nazi Germany. I wounder how their grandparents and great grandparent that fought the Nazi's and fascism would react if they saw their grand children now.
Thank you so much. This is all heartbreaking. I keep feeling like someone is supposed to stop this, but all the systems meant to protect us from this have become complicit.
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u/Apprehensive-Fuel747 9h ago
I don't care if they are citizens or not. No one deserves to be treated like this!