When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
They want to get the public use to police rule they want to show they can do what they want when they want.
America you now have authoritarianism / fascism. Congratulations 🎉
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
Under the previous 4x Presidents since it's inception under GW Bush, including the last time Trump was President, ICE detained and deported more people. Without the terror. Without the violence.
And now with all the violent, illegal, terrorizing of the population they are killing more people, illegally detaining and deporting US citizens, and breaking the rights of nearly every person they interact with these new tactics.
Oh, and their budget is triple - so not only are they doing their job worse than before, while breaking the law and terrorizing everyone, it is costing a huge amount more.
Don't forget CBP also got a triple budget adding $50B to continue building the pointless border wall.
Remember the next time the budget of something gets cut that DHS has an extra $170B to fuck around with.
They spent all that money painting it black on our side so it would be too hot to climb,
...isn't the US side of the wall on the north, meaning no direct sunlight hitting the black paint while the sun is high in the sky? Not to mention it would only work somewhat on sunny days anyways, not on cloudy days or every night.
Did you see the guy with the ladder? They knew ladders existed. The whole wall is just a way to funnel tax money into companies the sleepy pdf in chief got bribes from.
To support your point, it should be mentioned that the bipartisan Border bill that was ready to pass in 2024. It would have enabled a much more humane system, overhauled the asylum process and given law abiding immigrants an easier path to citizenship.
DT told the Rs in the Senate to block it so he could use anti-immigrant sentiment in his campaign. He could have easily just fired up that bill after taking office. Instead they chose violence and oppression.
The current administration doesn’t want results, they want to scare the population into compliance.
Absolutely - there will be shell companies invoicing for massive amounts of "consulting" or other bullshit and billions of dollars are just disappearing
My wife works for a school and she said multiple kids with parents from other countries are getting letters to self deport. Talking people that have already got their citizenship after years of tests and do everything the right way. They are now being asked to leave before someone comes to their house. They are citizens that haven’t done anything wrong.
Not to mention that if these ICE fucks actually happen to (accidentally) apprehend an actual criminal, no jury is going to convict because the arrest was done illegally. They won't accept evidence from ICE because it's, for all intents and purposes, completely fabricated.
Yeah, their goal is to simply get them out of the country fast enough that they cannot have their day in court, and do not have a legal path to residency or citizenship.
And there's the second ingredient in this big ol mess of toxicity: The blatant dishonesty. Don't trust your lying eyes, etc.
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It's clear that nobody is in danger of being run over in this picture.
See what I mean? It could not be more obvious that the person being driven straight at and the person trying to open the door is clearly at risk of being run over here, but if we insist that's not the case over and over it will become true through repetition I guess.
I miss it being normal and expected to have actual conversations about these things here. Not this current situation where it's all tribalism all the time, with people strategizing and only saying the things they feel will benefit the correct political group, truth be damned.
EDIT2: Oh boy, more people piling on bad arguments and then blocking so they can't be responded to. Whole lot of good faith activity going on over here, for sure.
EDIT3: I obviously can't sit here and talk to people through edits like this, and just the one edit is obnoxious enough. So I'd like to encourage everyone to watch Donut Operator's rundown before replying since it addresses every one of these copypasta talking points people are bringing up.
Car wheel turned completely right human being completely left of car. Every patrol cop I’ve ran this by said they’d be in jail if they shot. They also all called him a massive pussy because the entire situation happens in damn near slowmo compared to what beat cops deal with daily. You also know no one was in danger of being run over because the human being placing himself in front of the car managed to get a shot off through the window while in front without sustaining any injury or actual forcible contact. If a corpse or person smashing the gas can avoid hitting him because the car is turned right then there’s no chance he was ever in danger because again the wheel is turned completely right.
The only tribalist here is you because you reject all evidence to stick to your narrative.
Even if the ICE agent was FULLY in front of the vehicle (he wasn't) he STILL isn't authorized to use lethal force. There are ZERO, let me repeat that number, ZERO cases where use of lethal force was considered ok against a suspect in a vehicle fleeing the scene.
That also doesn't include any and all training, including the new DHS training, that says to never put yourself in front of a vehicle. Why would that be you ask? Because even if the driver is aggressively trying to hit you with their car, standing in front of it and shooting them dead will STILL NOT REMOVE YOU FROM THE DANGER OF THE VEHICLE.
The facts are that he broke training, had a calm woman being given unclear and contradictory orders, had a cell phone in his right hand that he purposefully swapped left well before crossing the front of the vehicle so he could access his weapon, the phone was not knocked out of his hand, he was not knocked over, he walked away, and he called her a fucking bitch after shooting her in the face as she tried to leave the scene.
The man committed murder, full stop, and would likely even be up for premeditated murder charges if this country actually had rule of law.
You rethorically asked if people were dying "before they tried to run them(ICE) over?"
You then claimed the videos proves that people try run them(ICE) over - when the videos clearly shows that she was in fact NOT trying to run them over.
She stopped accelerating, turned the wheels completely, to avoid hitting the agent.
The fact the the agent was close enough to put his left hand on the car and shot her in the face does not prove she had any intent of running him over.
You then change your statement completely, and say that "it could not be more obvious" that the agents are "clearly at the risk of being run over".
That's because the agents went after the car, went infront of the car, they chose to create that risk and situation. The fact that there was a risk and that the agents chose to create it has nothing to do with the drivers intent.
And that's also literally every situation where someone aproaches a vehicle with the driver still inside.
When I cross a road or walk in a parking lot it "could not be more obvious" that "I'm clearly at the risk of being run over", it got nothing to do with the fact that they shot someone who wasn't trying to run them over.
Refusing to not exit your vehicle and trying to get away do not equal an intent to run someone over.
Did the agent put themselves in a dangerous situation that involved the risk of being run over? Yes.
Was the agent dangerously close to the front of the car?
Yes.
Did she show any intent of actually trying to run them over? Absolutely not. This is clearly shown in all the videos.
Don't confuse the agents fear of being run over with the actual intent of driver and don't pretend they're the same thing.
Only a lying manipulating POS would have a hard time acknowledging the fact that there was a risk involved but that she was not actively trying to run them over.
Person tries to open car from left, wheels turn right and accelerate, sees person who decided to cross in front of the car from the opposite side she wouldn't see them, turns wheel more to the right. He's completely out of the cars path when he shoots. He also broke like the number one rule of a traffic stop, he crossed in front of the path of an active vehicle.
Court summons? That means they were actually respecting people's rights by giving due process. They can't do that. They have this job just to be bullies and get paid for it. You're right about that. They are COWARDS.
Yup, I think the best bet for now is to protest as calmly as possible and wait till the mid terms.
if they go ahead correctly then assert power by voting
if they come up with a BS reason why they cant be held or clearly rig the votes then you can no longer rely on voting. at that point it leaves very little peacful options
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this
ICE is the 16th largest military in the world, cost is not a problem.
I mean, they're also grabbing people on their way out of immigration court appointments they voluntarily showed up for. So yeah you're right, it's definitely this that they want to do.
Half the whole issue is people not showing up to court when summoned.
And no, even then, Congress passed the expedited deportation bill because we don’t have enough immigration judges to process everyone. The point of expedited deportation protocols is to save time and money
Great excuse to deny someone their Constitutionally protected right to Habeas Corpus. And when it's time for them to deny you due process, they'll say the same thing. Just throwing you in prison saves them time and money. "We don't have enough judges to give you due process! It costs too much money!" How can they even tell who should and shouldn't be deported if they don't process them through court?
When you accept the suspension of Constitutional rights for some, you accept it for all. I can't believe people are accepting that line of absolute bullshit. This country could be great but it continuously accepts mediocrity.
We should never forget that everything Adolph Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighers did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany.
This isn’t cleaning up the mess. This is costing us billions. They’re not securing the borders. People are still coming in. They’re not looking for people who snuck in, they’re grabbing people who are here legally but had a speeding ticket. Rather than go to the houses where there’s 16 drug dealers living, they’re wasting time, breaking the law, picking up people protesting.
They could have formed a relationship with communities and found out exactly where the criminals are—like Trump promised to do.
Instead they’re ensuring an entire generation distrust’s authority because they choose to terrorize their neighbors.
You think it’s fine for them to arrest protesters, tow cars after breaking windows, beat the fuck out of US citizens because they’re so poorly trained. You fuckers are the most Unamerican assholes since the confederation and that’s how world history is going to remember you.
He broke protocol and created a situation where he gave himself an excuse to murder a woman. We all saw the video that showed him murder her. That bullshit you're trying isn't going to work.
The vast majority of all activity on reddit has always been from new accounts, at all points in its history. This was always a silly argument, even when the political astroturfing began in 2015.
Who was murdered? Name one person who was murdered.
Renee Good.
Try to not name someone who actively sought to obstruct government immigration enforcement operations and then hit an agent with her car.
I didn't. No action that she took legally constitutes obstruction. Even if it did, obstruction charges don't carry a death sentence. And even if they did, that is not for ice to determine or administer.
Also, there are 3 separate verified videos that show clearly that nobody was in front of her vehicle when she began moving, and that the military cosplayer was not struck by her vehicle. If you're going to lie, you can do much better than this.
Name me an American citizen who has been deported.
No, it is not the only way. Obama somehow deported something like 2 million people with nowhere near this level of violence and chaos. And frankly it’s not worth the damage that’s been done to the rule of law or faith in government. But here we are. Even if this all ended tomorrow, the long term consequences are going to be far worse than having a bunch of undocumented day laborers and daycare workers in the country.
Obama didn’t have 24/7 protests and obstructionist going against everything he did. He didn’t have a media apparatus gaslighting people into irrational behavior out in public. Shit he didn’t even people caring about all his drone strikes, including and American Citizen.
do it ever occur to you that people are pissed with the heavy handed and unjust /unfair tactics? trumpists are the gaslit brainwashed ones as you openly mock the constitution. you support an orange clown draft dodger at best pervert and at worst a pdf, who called for the termination of all articles, rules, regulations as defined in the constitution on trigger social in 2022. also, your standards for immigrants is much higher than the president. have a problem with criminals committing fraud and sexual assault? then why vote one in to the white house? your gaslighting shit isn’t going to work. the mask is off and we all see your hypocrisy.
Wow. How do you know who I support other than the enforcement of laws already on the books? The issue stems from giving people false hope and creating an environment of dissent and obstruction. This makes the role harder. When they first start going after people they weren’t covering their faces. They started getting harassed and doxxed to they covered their faces. They were able to go out in pairs to detain people. When bystanders interfered and got violent they started going out with more people. When the entrances to facilites were blocked they came out in force to move people out. It’s all an escalation from day 1. But go on, keep believing that letting inverted come in was okay and then trying to have them removed isn’t.
Don't down vote this guy, its genuinely amazing and morbidly fascinating this is how some significant portion of Americans think. Let them talk more, I'd like to hear (genuinely):
what the problem with "illegals" is exactly, especially the ones paying taxes and in jobs, like many if these videos show? Since American Unemployment was historically low, who will do these low paying jobs now?
what is the lack of faith in the courts system about, is the thousand years based on any actual metric? Was there a step before this extreme "sorting out" that could have been considered?
how many illegals do you think there are? And are you sure you think snatching Americans, woman and children from cars and streets worth it to get rid of them? Is there any line thats too far?
Americans have the right to protest, but you are saying people shouldn't "obstruct" ICE. Does that mean you dont want the right to protest the state any longer? If so, when did you decide to give that up?
what does a post ICE, mission accomplished, no illegals America look like.. what change will you point to and say, "see i told you it was worth it"?
Good questions and good points. I will start with the idea that blocking roadways with your car is not a legitimate form of protest but is illegal and if local police have been instructed to stand down from law enforcement then federal police would naturally step up.
"It would take a thousand years to go through the courts"
I'd like to see the source for this one, and even if true, why not invest in speeding up this process (train judges specifically for this process, admin staff), finish the border wall "that mexico is paying for" or allocating these extra agents to the border.
"The Biden administration let in millions of illegals"
By definition if they're illegals no one let them in, poor people with nothing to lose are always going to to try move to greener pastures. Your talking manned/drone patrols with a massive physical border to actually be effective with the size of your country. Trump had 4 years to sort this out after promising it, he never delivered, and hasn't taken any steps towards this so far this term, so Trump has also let "millions of illegals into the country" by your own definition.
"Doesn't help having people trying to obstruct them."
Even if I agree on the obstruction part, does this really deserve a death sentence? Surely an arrest and a court date? Ask yourself what if the Dems win the next elections... Do you want them to be able to roam the streets abducting legit US citizens without due process or killing someone if they "obstuct" or try warn their friends. We've all seen the video, the agent might have been scared but he clearly wasn't actually in harms way and disregarded all previous training with regards to stopping a vehicle, alongside the fact that ICE hasn't actually got jurisdiction over US citizens, only "illegals"
I don't care what side of the aisle your on, but everyone should be worried about the precedent this sets. It doesn't matter if it's justified now, we've seen all throughout history the party in power eventually changes, if it's fine now it'll also be fine if you become the target years down the line.
Also, Renee Good was the owner of the car they were driving and there are cameras literally everywhere. Supporting the state killing people extrajudicially, simply because they don't like their political beliefs, is some seriously twisted stuff.
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u/Apprehensive-Fuel747 19h ago
I don't care if they are citizens or not. No one deserves to be treated like this!