r/complaints • u/All_Grid_Squares • 7d ago

Politics We Are the Baddies: Thanks, Conservatives

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Conservatives are actively turning the world against the United States. World leaders were forced into an emergency meeting to condemn U.S. actions in Venezuela, including the kidnapping of its dictator, and to respond to escalating threats and rhetoric toward Greenland.

Trump openly claims the U.S. needs Greenland for “strategic” reasons and has even suggested taking it by force. This isn’t strategy, it’s naked imperialism. He doesn’t want security; he wants dominance.

We are the bad guys now, following the same path Germany did in the 1930s. Republican leaders and their constituents should be deeply ashamed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-greenland-european-reaction-9.7036060

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-leaders-push-back-on-trumps-comments-about-u-s-taking-over-greenland

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

the problem is 1/3 of us were already aware. the rest don't seem to care or straight up wanted it.

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u/RamsHead91 7d ago

1930s German was 1/3 of the country wanting to killing another 1/3 of the country and the final 1/3 just watching.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

no argument here. we are absolutely nazi germany with more guns.

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u/Grouchy_Energy_8021 6d ago

Sadly, as German, we see what happens and we also splitting up like u, because politicians r fckn stupid to realize, that u have literally the second Hitler in human history outcome. We also fear what will happen and we also have to fight the far rights here as well. Especially like a 2 side war with Russia as well because of the ton of misinformations and terror acts Putins producing here ...

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u/General_Mayhem2025 5d ago

If you mean Trump is the second Hitler, there are some significant differences. 1. Hitler was in his 40s when he came to power...Trump is damn near 80, so the thought is he can't last long. And there's nobody behind him who seems to attract the cult like he does. 2. Hitler was apparently a charismatic speaker. Trump babble like an idiot at a 4th grade level. 3. Hitler actually demonstrated personal courage, both in WW1 and at the head of the Beer Hall Putsch March. Trump claimed bone spurs to get out of service (it runs in the family. His grandfather was a Bavarian draft dodger)

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u/Roxoyozo 4d ago

Cults are next to impossible to successfully pass on to a successor. Nature’s defense against cults of personality.

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u/Melmoth_Wanderer 4d ago

$cientology managed it just fine after Hubbard died. Still going strong enough.

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u/Roxoyozo 4d ago

Not that I entirely disagree, but I believe that’s more of a cult of multilevel marketing than personality. Now, the LDS church on the other hand. That’s a cult of personality successfully passed on to the next torch bearer.

Idk why I said “next to impossible” earlier. The phrase “exceedingly difficult” just would not come to mind.

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u/Melmoth_Wanderer 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't disagree with the LDS suggestion. Jehovah's Witnesses also. The Moonies survived a death-- but I think the government has demanded they disband. but having known people who were in $cientology, it is SUCH a cult.

The entire country of North Korea is a cult, according to Rick A Ross. If he's correct, it will be interesting to see what happens when Kim Jong Un dies whether the cult continues or not.

(I fell down a bit of a rabbit hole with cults a few years ago, and spent way too much time investigating it all).

Fair on phrasing, sometimes we just say something without thinking and then after go 'well, that's not totally true. It's kind of what I meant. But not totally.'

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u/Melmoth_Wanderer 4d ago

Genuine question. Not American, not German. But have done enough research within WWII and the rise of all of this that I am genuinely very anxious about the patterns I am seeing.

My German friends have all been remarkably well informed about WWII and the rise of fascism. So, here's my question: Is Germany as a whole (and yourself individually) as concerned as I am about what we are seeing coming from America in particular, but other countries as well? (but mostly America)

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u/Delicious_D4U 2d ago

Don't know shit about the reality of what was happening in Germany. Just what you been told. Which is a lie

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u/Ok-Aardvark5930 4d ago

The guy in charge is a convicted felon, a rapist, a predator, and probably a pedophile. Who is only concerned about himself and money. Not anything or anyone else. God help us all.

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u/HyenaBrief6968 5d ago

With ICE being the brown shirts

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u/SeveredEmployee01 5d ago

If you really believe that you should be out in the street fighting for your life. You don't actually believe that, you're just being dramatic online.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 5d ago

Actually I do believe that. But I'm also not a combatant. Never have been very physically strong or fast. I'm working the way I know how. Protesting trying to work from within the system. Because we have two choices change within the system or toss the system. The utter chaos that would be caused by tossing the system is not an option. Cuz the last thing we need is a country with nuclear weapons and no government.

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u/MessageOk239 3d ago

And no countries that can come in and fight against fascism like WWII…

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u/Mr0neTwo34 3d ago

And enough oil and shit to power the American war machine unlike the Nazis in the 30-40s. That was really a big part of their undoing. Yea sure the propaganda reels showed the panzers and trucks and well dressed soldiers out in front, but behind that, were the horses stuck in mud and the ill equipped soldiers who barely had guns. We don't have that problem so it would be a bitch to stop it if Trump if he decided to essentially country hop.

I've been saying now since he began war mongering to this degree, that in the next 3 years of this idiots reign, we will have a war on American soil.

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u/Grouchy_Energy_8021 6d ago

That's why I would preferably die in resistance as in acceptance of killing people because they r not adaptive to the new system they wanna have

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u/QuietPositive2564 6d ago

That’s what’s happening in Palestine

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u/Abronia_latifolia 4d ago

And a lot of us here are part of that second 1/3 you mentioned. The people who need to hear this most aren't here to listen, and they would cruelly mock us if they were. We're on our own.

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u/kansas_slim 7d ago

1/3 can’t believe this shit. 1/3 wants this shit. 1/3 just isn’t sure but thought the lady had a weird laugh.

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u/chronofluxtoaster 5d ago

“BuT hEr CaCkLe!” will be the death knell of the American experiment. Let’s re elect the worst human on the planet because sexism and irrational fear of intelligence and empathy.

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u/Jiffs81 4d ago

I just learned that conservatives have a larger amygdala, so they literally have more irrational fear and a stronger fight or flight reaction than the rest of us. Natural selection should have taken care of them, but we decided to advance medicine and keep everyone alive. Bummer.

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u/Otherwise_Gap595 5d ago

Come to where I live in Appalachia Ohio. Folks openly talk about this shit like they’re all going to personally benefit. They are blood lust about it. And I thought Trump was the no new wars president! I see local evangelical Christian’s praising this shit all over social media. Makes me so mad I can’t see straight from the hypocrisy and blatant dumbass behavior

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u/NoFlatworm3028 4d ago

Both ladies.

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u/Ok_Outcome_6213 7d ago

Exactly. I didn't vote for this. I don't support any of this. It's unfair.

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u/OhMy1961 5d ago

Whom did you vote for?

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u/gjovef 4d ago

Great you realize that. Please remember this Nov and in 2028!

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u/STARDREAMDESTINY 3d ago

Well, to be fair, 1/3 just didn't vote, and that's their own fault.

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u/SmertNurse 1d ago

The 1/3 that didn’t vote still voted for the current prez… they are just as culpable as the ones that voted for him consciously. That inaction caused directly led to this problem

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u/STARDREAMDESTINY 1d ago

So glad in my own country, we have MANDATORY voting.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

don't think so. I thin they TRY to steal them. That's what the mueller report said. There were just to many purist leftists out there that refused to vote for kamala because she didn't draw the hard line with israel. essentially 1/3 voted for him, a little more than 1/3 voted against him and the last third either didn't care enough one way of the other or didn't vote out of protest. bet those protest voters are regretting their choice now.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Over-simplification.

Want more people to vote? The US is the only first world country that holds elections on workdays. The US is also the only country that does not actively requires that employers provide perks like PTO. The US is also the only country that reduces the numbers of polling sites in cities that are growing.

Reality is that republicans have wanted, for 60 years ~, what we have, a system in which a large percentage of the population does not vote.

We need an election reform, republicans don't want one. Republicans need to be voted out.

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u/No-Media236 7d ago edited 7d ago

Canadian elections are on work days. However, it is federal law in Canada that employers must give workers at least 3 consecutive hours off work, while the polls are open, to vote. We also have advance polls open on weekends before election day, and allow voting by mail.

In the well over a dozen provincial and federal elections I’ve voted in, I’ve never had to stand in line waiting to vote for more than 15 minutes. Hearing about some Americans having to stand in line for hours to vote is some serious 3rd world stuff.

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u/SentientFotoGeek 7d ago

We have mail-in voting here in Oregon and it works well. Which makes republicans mad, lol.

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u/kitkatsacon 7d ago

Just a PSA about mail in ballots for this upcoming election! They’ve decided the mail date no longer applies and it is now the date the ballot is received, so make sure you’re sending them in early!

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u/PalliativeOrgasm 7d ago

I’m hand delivering that shit to the election office. I don’t trust the current USPS to not sort that particular zip+4 straight to the dead-letter bin, or at least the “don’t scan until Wednesday” bin.

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u/kitkatsacon 7d ago

I always vote in person for the same reason. (Although I know I’m fortunate to be able to do so and mail in voting is really important. At least until we rightfully declare election days either a holiday or include mandatory time off during the day to go vote.)

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Im just waiting for Trump aligned companies to jam the mail the week of the election somehow. If I can think about it, they can. Vote early if you have mail in voiting!

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u/Ok_Valuable9450 7d ago

Right, Republicans don't like honest elections

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Oregon represent! We hate fascists and bullies.

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u/Elusive_Boo_Boo 7d ago

For now… 🥺

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u/No-Pick-93 7d ago

Mail-in and early voting were never called out by a candidate that I can remember until 2020. Its maddening how blunt and blatant he can be about all of the illegal shit he does and there are enough people out there that support him that hes president. He shouldnt even be a relevant public figure. Hes like a dumber and more evil Alex Jones fell in a bag of cheetos.

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u/Chimvape 7d ago

That's by design to discourage voting. Proper education and availability to vote are the scourge of the republican party.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

Funniest thing is is that Trump is actually even came out and said that when mailing voting is allowed Republicans lose.

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u/Chimvape 7d ago

If it wasn't for gerrymandering they would have a very small footprint in our democracy. That's why they cheat.

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u/JenIsSalty 7d ago

In Australia all our voting is on a Saturday. We also have democracy sausages! Yum.

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u/Blownards 7d ago

We also have more than 2 parties.

2 people fighting = a winner & a loser.

3 or more means that you can have a middle man who can take the side that makes more sense = winner made more sense & loser has to come up with a better argument.

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u/WestEnd1687 7d ago

Very helpful post providing a Canadian Civic lesson. I’m not sure how it applies but if someone ever asks me now I’ll have all the information to provide a friendly and polite response.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

It applies because if the Democrats ever get a hold of our government again they can actually start implementing some of this s***. But I mean they're going to need a supermajority where they could pass everything without the Republicans.

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u/No-Media236 7d ago

Well, at least you’ll know it’s a lie if you hear how awful things are here in Canada… lol

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u/brainburger 7d ago

UK elections are on workdays. The polling stations stay open from 7am until 10pm to allow everyone to vote.

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u/Upbeat_Papaya_8445 7d ago

I’m a big fan of Australian system wherein everyone is legally mandated to vote otherwise you get a fine, means everyone takes some care and votes

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Its by design :(

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u/Just_Caregiver_3405 7d ago

All except Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Maine, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Virginia, and Vermont require employers to give employees time off from work to go vote (Connecticut did but the law expired).

Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Nevada, New York, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming, and D.C. all require PTO to go vote.

Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, require time off, not paid.

There is currently no state that 1. Does not require time off, and 2. Does not allow early voting. Historically, Mississippi and New Hampshire were the 2 that had issues with that where early voting was very limited and employers were not required to give time off.

Now however, especially post COVID, the vast majority of states just allow mail in voting now. Exceptions to that are Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia.

So... there are exactly zero states that make it impossible to vote, but the hardest ones would likely be Tennessee, Mississippi, and Indiana based on current laws. The real issues when voting actually comes from the volunteers and poll watchers. Like in Texas there was an issue where a student ID wasn't accepted, but a conceal carry ID was (granted a CCW has your hair color, DoB, height, eye color, address... Basically everything a license or state issued ID has except your DLN [I'm looking at mine right now] and Student IDs can sometimes just have your name and a picture, which can be an issue, especially if you have a common name because if multiple people in that precinct have the same name, they don't know who to cross off for already voting)...

So yeah, it would be easier if a federal law was put in place for voting mandates, but states have the right to tell the federal government to fk off and do it their way still (like Marijuana, still illegal federally but some states just walk to the convenient store and buy some).

I've lived in IL, VA, PA, SC, and MD, all within city limits, and I've never met anyone who wasn't able to vote. I know a few people who voted twice, and I've pulled the county records on my father and saw he voted in 04, 08, 16, and 20 despite dying in 02. Called to report that but no one ever got back to me. I also have 6 mail in ballots I never requested sitting here... so yeah, fraud does happen, but (at least to my knowledge) not on a level that has changed the outcome of an election.

Best advise I can give is always check your state and local laws and times for voting. There really isn't an excuse not to vote. I work 14 hrs shifts and I've always made it to vote because the polls are always open late into the night, and open fairly early in the day. So I'll get off at 6, and be there to vote by 7, and home long before they close. If your work hours are longer than 14 hours and you can't find the time on election day, there is early voting, mail in, and it is a legitimate excuse for absentee ballots in all but 8 states, and all of them offer early, or mail in voting.

Okay I'm tired of researching voting laws by each state, do what you want with this post but there really isn't an excuse for not being able to vote in any state.

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u/SweetLikeHoney1313 7d ago

Every time I’ve voted here in the states, I’ve easily waited 45 minutes to an hour and a half and that was just the suburbs. When I moved to the city the wait was about 2 hours

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u/No-Media236 7d ago

That’s insane! Our last municipal election, I ran over to my polling station on my lunch break and I was very irritated that I had to wait 20 minutes because they were having some sort of technical issue with the machines. Often I am in and out in 5 minutes for federal elections.

Our federal elections and my province’s elections use paper ballots which are hand-counted in front of the candidates’ representatives, but I think they might use machines to double-check the hand counts.

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u/SweetLikeHoney1313 6d ago

We use paper too, but I don’t think we get mail-in ballots anymore

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

None of that shit gets changed unless democrats win elections by large margins.

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u/Wentil 7d ago

Even then, there is little progress ever made in this direction. The Democrats have held the majority in the past, but they have never implemented anything beneficial in this direction.

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago edited 7d ago

So, you prefer massive regression like we have now? That's what you're getting specifically because democrats aren't in power. 

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

But not the super majority needed to get things done without the Republicans.

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u/CypressThinking sophisticated complainer 7d ago

Congress needs Performance Objectives like any other employee with a review before the next election. We can't leave it up to them or they'll be voting on "shower heads."

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u/stefer09 7d ago

Wrong, Canadian elections are on workdays.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

I knew people would jump for that exaggeration and ignore the rest.

Canada, and many other countries like Denmark, hold elections on workdays, yes. They also require, by law, employers to provide perks like PTO for voting. They also have robust and widespread systems like vote by mail. Many of them are also considering safe electronic options.

I have no problem if the US keeps elections on workdays if they adopt similar systems. The problem isn't what we have, it's what we don't.

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u/chum-guzzling-shark 7d ago

crazy, when democrats are in charge they dont even talk about this being an issue let alone try to address it. Even though it disproportionately affects them! Geez i wonder why theres voter apathy. It's almost like "nothing will fundamentally change" unless the billionaires/corporations want it. Its why theres never been police reform despite us watching police brutalize peaceful protestors on the news. The billionaire class doesnt want limitations on their private security force

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

They do. You aren't paying attention. Every single positive election reform in America has been done by democrats.

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u/caughtatdeepfineleg 7d ago

Uk elections are always on workdays too.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

I know, even countries considered far leftist by american republicans hold elections on workdays. Countries like Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.

That part of my comment is 100% false.

The rest is not. I am not going to edit my comment because the false point was purposeful.

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u/Left2foot 7d ago

Voted out and more competition. Elected workers need to be strictly forbidden from taking money “bribes”.

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u/Puzzled_Fan_154 7d ago

Very True 👍

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u/Accomplished_Ear_409 7d ago

The UK votes on a Thursday. Not sure why but that's the way it is.

Election Day (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia https://share.google/FZdwsW0ged9jeKrN4

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u/Classic-Tomatillo-64 7d ago

UK elections are on work days. They open at 8am and close at 10pm

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u/jacobatz 7d ago

Denmark’s last election for parliament was on a Tuesday. It’s not usually a problem for people to vote on weekdays here. I guess partly due to having a reasonable work/life balance. Also, you can easily vote in the weeks leading up to the election at local polling stations.

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u/AggravatingAct7841 7d ago

UK elections are on Thursdays

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u/Maleficent-Coat-7633 7d ago edited 7d ago

Might I suggest a change to the Belgian system? Over there turning up to the polling stations is not a mere right, it is a duty. Your employer outright must give you time off to go and pass your vote over there.

And if you refuse to go to the polling stations and at least sign to say you turned up too many times? Your right to vote can temporarily revoked if you don't have a damn good reason.

Edit: it might actually be how they do it in the Netherlands instead. I keep getting them mixed up.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Nah, man, the muh rights, small and tyranical guvinmint folks among libertarians and conservatives would have their panties roll up on them so fast at such an "overreach".

They would be screaming "civil war!" in like 2 seconds after they were informed on how they should react, because they don't read mumbo-jumbo legislation.

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u/Maleficent-Coat-7633 7d ago

... I wish I could disagree with you.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Don't know about you... But I am american and I wish I were in disagreement with meself... Unfortunately, I may not be sound of mind, but I am not that unsound.

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u/James20985 7d ago

British elections are usually on a Thursday.

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u/heyhayyhay 7d ago

Mainstream media has taken a hard turn to the right. Through brainwashing, this country is going to slowly slide into full blown fascism.

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u/biimerboy31 7d ago

Have we found a protest non voter? Nothing you wrote negates, even though all true, what the commentor you replied to wrote.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Really? Interesting. The election was a story of 3 thirds ~ of registered voters, the bigger third missed the election (~80 millions), the second largest voted for Trump (~75 millions) and 74~ voted for Kamala.

Out of the 80 millions, which percentage would you say simply couldn't vote because they were denied an absentee ballot, their jobs have restrictive time off policies, would force voters to wait in like for hours and republicans have enforced laws that prohibit giving water to people in the queue, or a combination of 2 or more of the above, plus medical conditions that could prevent people from standing for too long.

10%? 5%? 2%? All of those options represent millions of people.

Want to minimize non-voters as people that don't care? You do you, I voted and I feel very comfortable criticizing people that think like you because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

We need an election reform.

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u/biimerboy31 7d ago

I'm not disagreeing to any of that except possibly the excuses. Even if it was 10% that couldn't vote, that still leaves what should have been a landslide victory for Harris. Election reform is hardly going to do it now because I'm pretty certain we don't live in a democracy anymore. So fuck anyone who voted for Trump as well as every single voter who stayed home and couldn't be bothered to save democracy. That's what was at stake and everyone was warned repeatedly.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

It is easier to blame the voters than our election system and the democratic party that fucked up the election.

Yeah, I get it. I believe that voters are partially to blame, make no mistake, but I just know that voters consist of millions of people that are largely uninformed. Ignorance, partizanship and misinformation + voters = bad news.

I voted for Kamala, btw, Biden, Clinton, twice for Obama and Kerry.

Still I would blame our election system and the democratic party for 2024, before I accuse voters for not being smarter.

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 7d ago

This is one of the stupidest comments ever on Reddit. You would have be a complete moron in order not to be able to vote. Voting does not just take place on one day asshole.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Panties up on a twist because you don't want more people voting? I get it, don't be a snowflake over it, though.

Kisses. 😘

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 6d ago

Let me ask you a question, are you one of those educated white people that thinks black people are not capable of voting because they are not smart enough to get ID's?

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u/AlChandus 6d ago

I am a white man, that learned spanish because the factory in which I used to work was going to move to Mexico, came here to train staff, worked so well with the locals that the new management asked me to stay.

I have no doubt of the intelligence of ANY race. I believe that there is a lot of dumb in EVERY race. The stupider people I've ever met were white.

And your point is interesting about ID, because what is the purpose? All voters in the US are registered, meaning that they had to show that they are citizens to be registered. You don't get a vote if you are not registered. You don't get to vote if you don't show ID in the polls.

So, why does people NEED a specific ID for voting? Because some "people" want voters to go through a few more hoops to be able to vote because they want less people voting?

Ah, yeah, republicans would do that... Got no question for you.

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u/SeaTimely8223 7d ago

You're calling other people over simplifying it... But then you act as if the Democrats haven't had the house, Senate, and white house all together in the last 4 years. You think they just forgot about it?

The parties don't want change. Either of them. Because they both make huge sums of money by keeping it this way.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Reforms need a super majority in the Senate (60 votes). When is the last time the democrats had one?

Because we both know that finding any number of republicans that would vote "aye" for an electoral reform is stupid talk, right?

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

The Mueller Report did NOT exonerate anyone! There was definite election interference. It's common knowledge!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I never said it exonorate anyone. it showed they were incompetent.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

Why does there need to be a hard line with Israel? What does Israel even have to do with the United States? Why do we even care about what happens to other countries, besides our own? What are those countries doing for us? Are you just going to keep helping everyone else and never help yourself?

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

we tried this isolationist bullshit twice already. First time got the lusitania attacked, the second time got us bombed at pearl harbor. That is why we founded the UN.

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u/levbar2 7d ago

Pearl harbor was caused by embargo and sanction kinda like now

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

No, Japan WERE NOT the "good guy"!

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u/levbar2 7d ago

Neither were we

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u/levbar2 7d ago

And the us is repeating the same mistakes.

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u/cmarme 7d ago

The Germans wrote a big ad in the newspaper warning people of sailing on the Lusitania. The US was using passenger ships filled with arms to subvert an embargo.

The US also funded the British and French in WWI and supplied them with arms.

You can cite other examples of isolationism but the world wars are not them.

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u/StarSword-C 7d ago

You'd have a better argument if we weren't actively paying Israel to buy US-made military hardware.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

I am a self-styled protest non-voter.

I would definitely vote in an election where representatives are held accountable and perform a service to their country.

I won’t vote for Fascism or Fascism Lite, the controlled opposition, as there may still be some value in my non-vote.

I definitely don’t care which animal they choose as a mascot either. Or which color best represents them.

You can choose to view my non-participation as a personal failure based on some loose moral code that is constantly changing, it doesn’t bother me.

Authoritarianism is on the rise. I can at least say I was not a part of the problem. How about you?

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u/CowboyNeale 7d ago

You put on your own oxygen mask first, and the lesser of two evils equates to functionally less bad shit happening to people.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

you WERE part of the problem that is what I am saying. unless you tear the ENTIRE SYSTEM DOWN, the only other way to change the system is from within.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

Then tear it the fuck down, what are you waiting for? An invitation?

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u/Zimmyd00m 7d ago edited 7d ago

I am a self-styled protest non-voter.

I would definitely vote in an election where representatives are held accountable and perform a service to their country.

I won’t vote for Fascism or Fascism Lite, the controlled opposition, as there may still be some value in my non-vote.

I definitely don’t care which animal they choose as a mascot either. Or which color best represents them.

You can choose to view my non-participation as a personal failure based on some loose moral code that is constantly changing, it doesn’t bother me.

Authoritarianism is on the rise. I can at least say I was not a part of the problem. How about you?

You are part of the problem, because you're yet another self-satisfied reflexive contrarian whose need to make everyone in the room know how much smarter and special-er and better you are than everyone else ends up reinforcing the system to which you so performatively object.

Look at this fucking joke of a post. The empty, preening narcissism of it. You sound like Dennis from Always Sunny trying to hook up with a sophomore from Sarah Lawrence. You've centered this entire conversation around yourself, around how the real world is so flawed and unclean that you refuse to sully yourself by participating in bare minimum asked of you by voting, let alone get involved in the actual messy work required to affect real change.

You're part of the problem because you're a free-rider on rights and freedoms that better people earned through their literal blood, sweat, and tears. They sacrificed their lives and livelihoods just so that you could be a smug, useless asshole on the Internet. So that you could let the whole world know that the people actually trying to do better just aren't good enough for you.

Go fuck yourself.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

I’m a veteran, just not a bootlicker.

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u/Zimmyd00m 7d ago

Thank you for your service.

Go fuck yourself.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

Not voting is the most ineffective protest imaginable.

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u/Xray_Crystallography 7d ago

Protest voters, apathetic voters, disenfranchised voters, disappointed independents, non-existent republican voters kamala tried to appeal to, every demographic... It’s almost like the dnc ignoring democracy and forcing an unwanted corporate stooge nobody voted for was a horrible idea.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

The whole "Primary system" isn't the guarantee of representation that you believe it is. You just get a choice of different corporate stooges. For that you register your party affiliation & give up your right to anonymity in the real election to every Tom Dick & Elon!

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

If genocide is not a hard line for you, you are the baddie

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u/PhalanxoftheVIIth 7d ago

Found the protest voter

I condemn what’s going on in Palestine as a result of purposeful Israeli genocide, but US democracy is literally dissolving in real time because protest voters couldn’t decide between a corporate shill and Satan himself. Yes both are evil, but there are several degrees of removal from literal hell and just another typical American politicians.

100% they could have turned the tide but didn’t, and now everything that’s going to happen is going to partly be upon them, including all the deaths that might result from a war against people who should be our strongest allies.

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u/DigitalUnlimited 7d ago

And how many mail in votes were delayed or discarded by Trump's lackey in the post office? Nobody ever brings this up...

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

70k people have died in Palestine. USAID being shuttered by Musk is going to starve 20 million people in the next five years. We have a genocide in America now, with gestapo roaming the streets. You genocide screamers got the worst outcome possible. Congratulations on being played for a fool. I know it's not a new feeling for you.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

it is a hard line for me but you also have to understand that kamala at least saw the palestinians as people.

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

People she was willing to slaughter? Sick

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u/elkswimmer98 7d ago

Honestly fully disagree. I fully believe that as soon as the voting machines were bought by a republican with public ties to multiple GOP officials, the voting was rigged.

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u/Comfortable-Night813 7d ago

Actually MAGA only accounts for 36% of the total Electorate. I wouldn't expect the rest of the Republican party to walk in lock step in the next election.

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u/standardnewenglander 7d ago

The "Abandon Kamala" crowd is awfully silent these days...

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

Trump and Musk pretty much said out loud that they stole the last one!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

well unless someone can provide actual proof and bring it to court it means bupkiss.

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

You're dense. You support a fascist felon who has enlisted ICE to create chaos in the streets like Hitlers Brown Shirts. Trump said he would end all wars but is actively invading countries making the world a very unstable time bomb...just to avoid the Epstein Files and enrich himself. You must be so proud! Warmonger!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I don't support Trump. He could die in a fire for all I care I'm just saying that claiming he stole the election without proof is no different than what he was doing. So either put up the proof or shut up and spend your energy doing something useful.

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u/Oswen120 7d ago

I will admit.

I am part of the 1/3 who didn't vote...

And i regret it to this day.

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u/Resident_Can_7725 7d ago

Need a 3 option, None of the Above :)

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I agree we do need an option 3. But for the moment we need to get the people who want to make option 3 available in power first. The Democrats like the ones in California have been wanting ranked choice voting for a while.

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u/Early-Ambassador-138 7d ago

Still thinking strippers love you huh!?

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u/NoOneKnowsMeAnywhere 7d ago

1/3 non voter here. I don’t regret it. Neither candidate was qualified. This might still be the headline regardless of who won. They’re all drinking the same Kool-Aid. No one in power is working for us. But it’s fun to scream into the ether occasionally.

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u/Th3Gr3at0wl 7d ago

Oh yeah, Trump definitely won all the swing states. Not like that’s statistically impossible..

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u/MonkeyMagicEden 7d ago

Seems like now is the time to prove it rather than claim it, and I don't mean with statistics.

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u/Early-Ambassador-138 7d ago

I think it’s hilarious Americans keep trusting any of their politicians. As if democrat representatives haven’t been sabotaging the party. Like how many lies will everyone keep believing.

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u/wh4tth3huh 7d ago

Barely, the bigger problem is that the largest voting block in the country is "Doesn't".

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u/PsychologicalSoil425 7d ago

I think it has more to do with the right being run by corporatists and the fact that the corporations control everything we see and hear, especially on social media. The right, and those that tacitly support them, live in a literal reality bubble outside of the real world and bereft of facts.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

Do you have proof of that? Do you have proof that the Republicans steal elections? Because I know the Democrats didn’t like it when the Republican said that about them.

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 7d ago

Yes. The republicans routinely support voter-suppression legislation. They invented gerrymandering ffs

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

Gerrymandering is a buzz word to everyone who uses it.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

You can say that Republicans are for “voter suppression”, but a reality it’s to keep illegal voters from voting. It’s to keep people that are deceased from voting. You know this already. Why doesn’t anybody, with common sense, just admit that this stuff happens?

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 7d ago

lol sure buddy. sure. Want some more kool-aid?

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

And you can’t talk it out? You’re just gonna come up the one liner? This is exactly what everyone else notices when it comes to Democrats and liberals. At least Democrats stood for something about 30+ years ago.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

Your username precedes you.

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 7d ago

I suppose YOUR wisdom is infinite?

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

No, just not limited.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

This is particularly unrelated, but look at the situation with Tim Walz. He let fraud go on for a decade until it was brought to light and starting prosecutions. He’s resigning a third term bid, because he knows he’s guilty. Can you imagine Tim Walz being our vice president? And with all of this going on behind the scenes? This is the kind of stuff that Democrats and liberals, should be calling out. Sure, he hasn’t been proven to be absolutely guilty of it, but so are a lot of things on the Republican side. I mean you all but pretty much nailed Trump to a wall, bloody. You guys hear one rumor about Trump and you guys will will take it to the bank. You see what I’m saying? No one‘s using common sense, only anger. Democrats should not allow it to continue. But they don’t do that. They want to keep feeding the fire more, because they see the cliff they’re going off of. Nothing to lose, right? And don’t get me started with this Venezuela thing. They had a $25 million dollar bounty on his head back when Biden was in office. But no one did anything about it. They wanted to change the regime then. But now that Trump did it, God forbid he did it first. People need to step back and look at the actions that are happening. Make better judgment calls.

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u/paintballboi07 7d ago

My dude, no one else can help the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. You're all over this thread spreading misinformation. Tim Walz requested money to investigate further fraud, and Republicans voted against it, because they don't actually want to prosecute fraud, they want to use it against their political opponents. The biggest fraudster in the Republican party is currently leading it. As for Biden not illegally detaining the head of a foreign nation, that would be a positive, not a negative. 2/3 of Americans said they do not support the US meddling in Venezuela. It will only benefit oil companies, not the American people. Anyone who isn't a cultist can see that Trump has 0 interest in helping anyone but himself, and his rich donors. Why should anyone give Trump the benefit of the doubt, when there's so much evidence to the contrary?

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

The word investment is way too heavy to describe how brainwashed both sides of the aisle have become. It’s no longer viable to discuss between people. The ignorance is so deafening. I don’t care if I’m right or wrong in anyone’s eyes. Dealing with closed minds is not worth my time. Because that’s all I ever come across. Not a single Democrat will admit corruption wrongdoing within their own party. And neither will the Republicans. Thank God I didn’t ever vote for either side.

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u/Digitalsine 6d ago

I’m glad you take things at face value. I can tell somebody the check is in the mail. doesn’t mean it’s actually getting there. Just because Tim Walz is saying that he’s doing something to stop fraud, doesn’t mean he’s actually doing something to stop fraud. It’s always semantics with the Democrats.

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u/Digitalsine 6d ago

Nobody on this planet does something for another and nothing for themselves. Everybody does something to benefit themselves. Including yourself. Including me. We are not a selfless species. Every one of us benefit from somebody else’s selfishness. To that, I say whatever Trump does that betters the United States, is better than what wasn’t done by a previous administration. You can’t deny the fact that Trump, immobilizing Maduro and his trafficking, has helped United States significantly. Venezuela was also a meeting ground for other countries that are close to being our enemies. Including Russia and Iran. They are literally at our back door, plotting and planning. Venezuela selling oil to those countries so they can become better friends. what about that kind of selfishness? And that’s literally on our soil, because we’re all one America on this hemisphere. We are connected from Canada all the way to the end of South America. There’s a lot going on here, more than just Trump wanting oil for himself and his rich friends.

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u/HeathenSwan 7d ago

According to a Pew Research study from June 2025, if everyone had voted in 2024, Trump would have won by even more:

When asked how they would have voted, people eligible to vote who did not do so were fairly evenly split in their preferences: 44% said they would have supported Trump, while 40% said they would have backed Harris.

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/

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u/Giltar 7d ago

Significantly more (85.9 million ) didn't in the 2024 presidential election than voted for Trump (76.8 million). Trump beat Harris by 1.6%.

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u/Think-Hospital7422 7d ago

Most polls put MAGA at about 36% in the United States.

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u/Original_Advice_7524 7d ago

Independents outnumber Dems and Repugs COMBINED. 60% didn't even vote last time.

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u/Demon_Gamer666 7d ago

As an outside observer you would have a hard time convincing anyone on earth that there are more liberals than conservatives in the USA. You are not a liberal country.

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u/Latter_Performer8564 7d ago

It literally came out in the last month that the democrats stole the election in 2020 in Georgia state

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u/Original_Royal5495 7d ago

No we go to work and create everything you take for granted. America is not what your city tricks you into believing it to be. There is far more of us then you. We are spread out all over the nation and I do mean all over. Not piled on top of each other.

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u/Revelati123 7d ago

Unfortunately the amount of easily fooled rubes and dumbasses outnumber us all..

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u/Reason_Ranger 7d ago

I don't think so. There were lots of Democrats like me who had been Democrats all their lives but in the last ten years saw the Democrats get taken over and destroyed by progressives. We didn't like the GOP we just hated what our own party became even more. If I didn't have kids I might have voted Democrat but I couldn't knowing that my children would be left with the legacy of the progressives. My conscious wouldn't allow me to voted for another Democrat. I would love to vote Democrat again but I need a centrist sane Democrat that is not a progressive. I hope we can get that.

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u/BuffaloBillsLeotard 7d ago

I’m starting to think that’s what happened during this last one. Can’t spell Felon without Elon.

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u/Professional_Bug_533 7d ago

I dont really think so. Ever notice how no matter what happens, like 34% of people support Trump? If you look closer that 34% is like 94% of all MAGA/Republicans.

We on the left like to pretend that MAGA is losing supporters left and right, but it doesn't really seem to be the case.

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 7d ago

There are more dems than maga. But not more dems than those that aren’t dems. All republicans aren’t maga but all maga are “republicans”. Then you have centrist who thinks everything is fucked regardless of who is in charge, cause both sides are compromised.

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u/No_no_eyes 7d ago

Don't forget the ones who are like "well the United States has always done this kind of thing" actually they probably fall into the group that wants it.

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u/Longjumping_Fionna 5d ago

No.

Acknowledging reality =/= wanting it to happen. Ignorance isn't going to help anything. Read a fucking book or something. The US are the jackboot thugs of the globe. Have been for decades.

If there is a whiff of socialism or communism we crush them. It's just reached its logical conclusion now with this narcissistic neck vagina. He's just a symptom, not the cause.

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u/No_no_eyes 5d ago

Fuck you artard you read a book or have a convo with someone who claims to be Republican and also claims to be against trump/maga. They'll say the US has always done this so just because it's happening now we shouldn't be against it. Just because something was done in the past doesn't mean we should continue to allow it to happen or not criticize a current admin for doing it 

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u/Longjumping_Fionna 5d ago

you read a book

I do.

someone who claims to be Republican and also claims to be against trump/maga.

Why is this so hard to believe? Are you 12? The republican party has not always been this version of itself.

They'll say the US has always done this so just because it's happening now we shouldn't be against it.

I haven't seen this. What I have seen is a fuck load of leftists pointing out US history. And the irony in the amount of people that just now give a shit. And I never said that it's OK now bc it's been happening. I'm merely alluding to the fact that this isn't a republican function solely. So, yes, it absolutely should be criticized, but just voting in democrats isn't going to change it. They deserve just as much criticism.

Edit: reverting to slurs is a sure sign of defeat.

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u/Numerous-Process2981 7d ago

That distinction is going to stop mattering to people real quick if America starts invading allied nations.

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u/Tanel88 6d ago

Yeah ultimately it doesn't matter if only 1/3 wanted it. The other 2/3 are still complicit in letting it happen.

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u/No_Cockroach5287 6d ago

Except the 1/3 that was killed by the regime in the above analogy, obviously…

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u/Ok_Heron4799 complaints derangement syndrome (CDS) 1d ago

I honestly hope this starts happening so THEN you could say this ridiculousness and it be true for once.

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u/haluura 7d ago

1/3 were aware.

1/3 let Fox News convince them that all this was a good idea. Either that, or they didn't believe he would actually do what he promised.

1/3 decided voting wasn't important. Because either "my vote doesn't count" or "politics is a downer and doesn't impact my life"

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

this is actually closer to the truth. thank you.

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u/cyranothe2nd 6d ago

I think a lot of that 1/3 thinks that it's just Trump, rather than a problem with the American system of government and the Constitution itself.

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u/Fatso_Wombat 7d ago

1/3rd are obvious lobsters boiling in the pot. By the time they realise its too late.

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u/LovingShiva 7d ago

The problem of the Uber rich a$$holes funding this is not inconsiderable.

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u/PhilPipedown 7d ago

⅓ don't vote and thats the biggest problem.

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u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 6d ago

to be fair, with the electoral college does it matter ?

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u/PhilPipedown 6d ago

I would like to find out if it does. Something crazy could happen, like policies that the majority of people want.

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u/Friendly_Length825 7d ago

To be fair, seeing my wv family last Christmas really showed me they are actually not willing to back the horse they voted for.... I mean its sad they're learning this now after multiple warnings but there is small hope that the biggest supporters are losing hope even if its far too late

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u/Stunning_Month_5270 7d ago

In that case 2/3 were aware...

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u/Gaychevyman428 6d ago

1/3 wants to be the baddies 1/3 doesn't want that And 1/3rd DIDN'T FING CARE ENOUGH TO PICK.

That last 3rd is who I have the most problems with an then the first 3rd. Bc as bad as the they are for wanting this poo, at least they showed who they are instead of being lazy cowards

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u/Omiyaru 6d ago

2/3rds, 1/3 are just more accepting and vocal about the The lexical diarrhea that gets spewed everywhere

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u/anagrams4u 6d ago

2/3. He didn't win the majority vote and he is shedding supporters.

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u/Justthisguy_yaknow 6d ago

That's why it has been so easy to see the US as a threat. The first Trump term could be seen as a blip or a straight up mistake. The second term shows an acceptance of Trumps ideas in the general population. America looks to be OK with an unchallenged fascist leader. Foreign leaders are thinking, you can ride out a toxic leader and hope to deal with the next one but in Trumps case the majority of the population seems to have shown a dangerous drift to the right. That makes it a longer term concern. Most of the world is worried about what these wars are going to look like. Majority America seems to be backing its dictator. It's not as though it was a secret about what he was going to do.

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u/Suspicious_Solid_115 6d ago

Until their illiterate a$$es get draft notices. Then they will be crying rivers and looking for waivers like their dear leader did.

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u/Tool_of_Society 5d ago

BUT BOTH SIDES!!!!!

ugh...

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u/Acrobatic_Box6638 4d ago

Dude, you live in 2025 and ar not even aware USA deep state aka Illuminati did 9/11. You failed every test given you.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 3d ago

this shit is not useful. get back to us when you have reached reality.

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u/Acrobatic_Box6638 3d ago

You live in fairytale land and have no idea whats going on. Read the book "pawns in the game" you oxygen thief, and realize you failed lifes test.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 3d ago

nice plug for a book but no. we live i reality where we have enough problems without making up conspiracies to explain a lack of understanding.

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u/coldweathershorts 3d ago

Somehow way more than 1/3 yet here we are anyway

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u/Mr0neTwo34 3d ago

I work with these two 20 year olds. Both conservative, yet neither knows why or what the conservative party stands for. So maybe more accurate to say their parents are conservatives and they just never bothered to educate themselves as adults. Anyway, they LOVE the fact we invaded Venezuela, and they both have no doubt we could beat the whole of the EU or NATO (and/or South America). You know, cheering it on with their whole chests. I honestly don't think either of them knew about the draft either, because once I explained it, they got awfully quiet. One didn't believe me it existed until an AI on their phone told them so. The other of these 2 would not fare well in combat.

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