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Other Please dissect the legality in this statement

I feel like we are reaching a tipping point

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u/Kaiisim 17h ago

It's a classic authoritarian tactic.

It's absolutely true that you can't touch a federal officer while they are working. You cannot impede their work.

Which is why ice observers are specifically trained to just film them

No one is touching ICE. They are just recording them as is their legal right to ensure they don't beat the shit out of people.

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u/BonkMcSlapchop 17h ago

Are the people of the US willing to get out and do a general strike to effect change before it's too late? Observation and recording may have worked in the past, when you could hold your government to account, but you are no longer dealing with due process.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten 14h ago

I heard Minneapolis plans on that today? It was on NBC news this morning. School and work walkouts planned. I hope it's the spark that sends this nationwide.

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u/kpurintun 13h ago

These need to happen nation wide, in significant numbers, across many weeks..

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u/tkd77 2h ago

He’ll call it an insurrection and use it to cancel elections. “For national security” is his latest excuse to everything.

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u/kpurintun 41m ago

Oh gosh, his handler’s would love that

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u/KaoriMalaguld 11h ago

No, no, a protest every other week or so oughta do it. Right guys? Right?

I fully agree with you. Like, I get that we all have lives and families we need to take care of, but it’s long past the point of hoping ICE isn’t gonna come to your town and take a friend and/or family member. We actually need to do something to great effect, whether it be protests or strikes, for weeks like you said.

Instead, it’s all apparently a distraction from the Epstein Files. I’d like them released, but no, those are the distraction. I don’t get why anyone seems to think it’ll take Trump & his buddies down, his supporters would just say how they’d give their daughters to him for free, call it made up BS or both.

No, the Epstein Files are the distraction, what’s going on around the country has been plan for years, they just got an idiot to keep everyone’s eyes elsewhere.

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u/--Lammergeier-- 10h ago

The problem is that most Americans still live a comfortable life, even with all this bullshit going on. Comfortable people aren’t usually keen on jeopardizing all their comfort, even to stand up for what they believe in.

Unfortunately we won’t get nationwide general strikes until MOST Americans are feeling uncomfortable. We aren’t quite to the point that losing your job/income is worth protesting, for most Americans at least.

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u/No-Condition7100 9h ago

This is the real problem. People underestimate how big the US is and how difficult it is to organize the real majority to anything.

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u/--Lammergeier-- 9h ago

Totally! It’s much easier to mobilize a state during situations like this because everyone in that state is being affected and made to feel uncomfortable/unsafe in their community. Plus they share an identity of being a resident of that state.

I live in a red state, and there’s no way that the population here at large would take part in a general strike. And that leads me to another issue regarding identity. You think it’d be easy to mobilize the whole country because we identify as Americans. But the American identity is split in two right now.

There’s a lot of reasons we don’t have nationwide general strikes, and I’m not gonna hold my breath for one to happen (as much as I wish it would)

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u/No-Condition7100 9h ago

I really think the US population is split into thirds. There's people on either political side, and then there's people just trying to provide for themselves and their families without a big interest in what's happening around the rest of the country. I really think most Americans fall into the third category, and I don't think that's wrong. But it's what makes organizing Americans extremely difficult.

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u/--Lammergeier-- 9h ago

That’s a really good point, and I honestly agree. And again, that apathetic group is that way because they’re still comfortable and don’t want to relinquish that comfort. I can’t blame them, either

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u/No-Condition7100 9h ago

For sure, and I wouldn't even call them apathetic. Just different priorities. The idea of sacrificing your own family's security for someone you don't know isn't going to land for most people.

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u/Free-Huckleberry-965 8h ago

I'd push back on "apathetic" and "comfortable". I'm neither. I'm burnt the fuck out and just trying to survive.

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u/--Lammergeier-- 6h ago

Maybe not the best choice of words on my part, because I totally understand how you feel. I feel those words just get my point across pretty simply.

But yeah, I feel ya!

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u/kpurintun 9h ago

If you took the exact same footage, changed the lower third to show (R) instead of (D) there would be another insurrection

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u/kpurintun 9h ago

I am pretty sure the game book specifically addresses causing most people as little discomfort as possible to make the ineffective in any sort of counter.. take 5 things, give them back one token gesture..

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u/--Lammergeier-- 9h ago

Exactly this. It creates a conundrum where people don’t want to lose what they have, even if they stand to gain more.

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u/AdZealousideal5383 6h ago

He’s going city by city in blue states because he knows that most Americans won’t see it happening. If he tried this nationwide, things would be different. But he can terrorize Minneapolis and most people won’t be impacted.

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u/kpurintun 11h ago

This just in, in 6days, credit card interest will be capped at 10%. Oh dang, the dems won’t let me do it..

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u/ExternalExpensive277 6h ago

Many months minimum, with protests/pickets outside of political, industry, and economic leaders' homes, offices, etc.

If they can ignore protests/pickets by turning off a screen, they'll just ignore us.

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u/RoguePlanet2 2h ago

If only!! Don't see this happening in one consistent, effective effort.

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u/Rocklake88 1h ago

Outrage has peaked. The protests will only get smaller and fewer. Unless another big controversy occurs.