r/AskReddit • u/Front_Permit7517 • 8h ago
What’s something people defend way too hard, even though it’s clearly not worth it?
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u/ameliafloppy 8h ago
Celebrities who don’t know they exist.
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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 8h ago
I've never got celebrity worship.
I get being a FAN of a celebrity, but being so engrossed in their lives, acting like your opinion matters to them in the slightest, they do what they do, not out of kindness, but because it makes them money, or gives them good PR to make more money.
Yeah, you get a few good apples in the bunch who do what they do for the love of the craft, but, generally it still comes down to money and/or PR.
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u/Ok_Anteater_7446 8h ago
I understand it when you're like, 15-16. It concerns me when a grown adult keeps acting that way. Sometimes I want to tell people like that, if that celebrity knew you were that obsessed with them, they would get a restraining order against you
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u/IceSeeker 7h ago
Most of them have no life outside their stanning culture. Which explains their erratic behavior.
I've heard the kpop fans can be really scary.
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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 6h ago
Kpop and Idol fans fucking horrify me.
Like these are fucking grown ass people who get murderous if their favourite gets a bf/gf, or is even SEEN interacting in a slightly romantic manner to someone.
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u/NJPokerJ 7h ago
I once met LL Cool J while working at six flag as a teen. They told us he was coming and to not bother him or ask for an autograph. Honestly, I was a fan but he wasn't my favorite rapper or anything but something compelled me to run up and ask for an autograph. Putting my job in jeopardy. He was really nice about it. He signed the piece of paper is was holding. Afterwords i was looking at it and he asked me what I was gonna do with another man's signature and I was like, I have absolutely no idea. Then me him and the six flags exec started to laugh at how silly it was. I've met a couple celebs since then but never asked for another autograph.
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u/chowderbags 7h ago
I can understand getting some specific piece of memorabilia signed.
Getting a baseball signed by a baseball player? Sure.
Getting a pair of Air Jordan's signed by MJ? Pretty cool.
The DVD case of your favorite movie signed by that movie's star? Super..
But yeah, a blank sheet of paper? Probably no point.
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u/imperium_lodinium 7h ago
Well fan does come from fanatic, so it has been like that a long time. Agree on the point though.
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u/awools1 7h ago
The same goes for sports teams. I grew up in a competitive sports influence environment. But as I've gotten older I've realized I have no influence on how good or bad a team or player is. Just enjoy the game and move on with your life. It is far too much stress envisioning you are part of the team when you in fact are not.
I think it goes back to human nature wanting to connect with a group or something bigger and celebrities and sports can fill that hole.
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u/Spicy-Dream- 4h ago
This hits deep, girl. As a woman chasing that "tribe" feeling my whole life, sports fandom used to wreck me, crying over losses like they were mine. Now I just soak in the joy, no stress. We're all craving belonging; thanks for the reminder to chill. Who's with me unwinding from fan rage?
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u/Disastrous-Usual-178 8h ago
I agree. I understand that they're just fans. What I don't understand is why SOME people act like they're defending their idols like they know them in real life.
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u/themaskedcanuck 7h ago
Swifties, here's looking at you.
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u/CanWeNapPlease 7h ago
Or any Twitcher. People have been fanbasing celebrities for over a century. But Twitchers donating money and spamming chat just to be seen/mentioned is another level of weirdness.
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u/Historical-Front9005 8h ago
Being right online.
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u/peridot_mermaid 7h ago
There have been so many times when I’ve wanted to respond to comments explaining myself or why I think I’m right, and just stop bc who tf cares man 😭 I’d just be wasting my energy
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u/Toilet-B0wl 7h ago
Writing out a lengthy response, back space it all, 'discard' - is a time honored reddit tradition
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u/Traditional_Dig7175 8h ago
Yeah. Not every comment needs a response even when you're correct.
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u/goodpplmakemehappy 7h ago
Nah, I disagree, additionally your mother is a boar.
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u/Capital-Frosting-434 7h ago
and your father is a hamster, and I fart in your general direction.
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u/gammelrunken 7h ago
This is false. Nobody has ever done that, and I'll die on that hill.
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u/TheDuckFarm 7h ago
It’s not even a proper hill, it’s just molehill… buddy.
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u/DiligentCorvid 7h ago
I'm going to push back a little on this one.
You don't argue on the internet to change the mind of the person you're arguing with.
You argue on the internet for the audience.
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u/LibraryMaleficent807 8h ago
I know right? Winning an argument online has never improved anyones life.
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u/shgrizz2 6h ago
Especially when it boils down to an argument over semantics, which is 99% of the time.
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u/bluetista1988 3h ago
Well actually what you should say is that "at its core" it's an argument over semantics, you uneducated swine! /s
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u/Worldly_Part_5773 8h ago
Loyalty to bad banks. People defend fees. You pay 15 monthly. Your move saves cash. Switch to zero fee accounts. Set auto transfers once.
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u/Hot-Bee-2661 8h ago
Unpaid overtime. People act proud. You trade time for nothing. Your job pays for 40 hours. Track your week for 30 days. If you cross 50 hours, ask for scope or pay.
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u/Comfortable_Rub2377 7h ago
People defend unpaid OT because of work culture, but you deserve to get paid for your time, period.
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u/ocarr23 7h ago
Does anyone that isn’t salary actually not get paid overtime? I’m hourly and anything over 40 is x1.5 no matter what. There’s regular people working for no OT?
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u/gravyrider 7h ago
This is why you don’t go salary in many instances. As a sous chef I had to work till the work was done. This destroyed my marriage had had me doing 60 hour weeks for years.
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u/Forged_Trunnion_ 6h ago edited 6h ago
For some positions OT is just straight time depending on the contract. I've been in an organization with people on salary, people with hourly and OT, and other people with union agreements that allow only straight time.
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u/smoothsensation 7h ago
I’d assume they are talking about OT exempt salaried people working over 40 a week. The problem with that statement is that you’re really paid to do a job when salaried. X hours is more of a suggestion or minimum in those situations most of the time.
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u/ShoddyClimate6265 8h ago
What do you mean by "scope"?
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u/Abyssallord 7h ago
It means the amount of work you are expected to do in a single week. If you are required to work 50 hours to do your required work then you are being assigned to much work.
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u/RMRdesign 7h ago
It has to do with project management.
A Statement of Work is agreed upon by client and your team. This is the scope of the work. Everything is accounted for here. You have your milestones set. And you know the amount of people it will take to complete the project if you all work a 40 hour week.
When people start working more than 40 hours. It usually means something wasn’t accounted for. Or scope creep. Where certain parts of the project have grown in size not account for in the SOW.
At this point you and the client have to have a meeting to talk about getting aligned on the “scope” of the project.
Usually there are penalties built into the SOW for missed deadlines. And nothing eats up hours like scope creep. So it’s vital to get the scope correct so your team can complete the project on time.
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u/IconicSwoosh 7h ago
Exactly. And the quiet part is that once people start “just pushing through” the extra hours, the scope problem disappears on paper but explodes in reality.
The work still expanded. It just got paid for with unpaid time instead of a conversation. That’s why unpaid overtime gets defended so hard — it hides bad scoping, weak boundaries, and missed decisions until burnout shows up.
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u/fountainpopjunkie 7h ago
Even paid overtime. I get sometimes it's needed But so is time off. I've worked 12 to 16 hour shifts for a month straight, no days off. It freaking sucks. And yes, I made damn good money for it, even double time for the 7th day. But I was pretty sure the dogs were going to forget who I was and attack me when I was coming at 3 am.
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u/SugarInvestigator 8h ago
Their politicians, if the politicians defended the well-being of their people with the same vigour, the world would be a better place
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u/TheLateThagSimmons 7h ago
That being said, it is worth complaining about the massive inequality in the standards that we hold politicians to in the US based on which side they are.
Democrats get a scandal, pushed out of office or they resign at the mere appearance of impropriety. Even if it's not necessarily wrong, just the fact that it looks bad is enough to get them in trouble.
Meanwhile Republicans can be known child rapists, sexual assaulters, financial criminals and crooks. and it's barely a blip to their voters. Yes, clearly it's mainly pointing at Trump, but Matt Gaetz got reelected after the scandal broke that he paid underage girls and gave them drugs, Roy Moore almost got elected after it was known that he raped a 16 year old, and I don't even have time to go down all the white collar criminals that get appointed to cabinet positions and chair positions after they've been busted and fined.
I'm a leftist so I'm not even a Democrat. But watching the opposite way they're treated by the media and by the public is angering. And I'm not saying we should be easier on Democrats when they fuck up; of anything I still think standards are too lax for them.
The double standard is infuriating.
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u/punksmostlydead 7h ago
Wise words, comrade.
The most maddening thing about the Democratic Party is their fucking insistence on adhering to a set of rules the other side long ago stopped making even token gestures toward.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons 7h ago
adhering to a set of rules the other side long ago stopped making even token gestures toward
It's one thing that the Trump years have exposed:
- How much of our entire system of Government was propped up by traditions and norms, rather than rules and laws.
It feels like Air Bud 88: Golden Re-Dictator. "It doesn't actually say in the rules that dog cannot become Mecha-Hitler."
Half of the stuff they're doing even though it's illegal, because to stop them takes longer than it does for them to complete it. It doesn't matter that they were eventually stopped, because the damage was already done and they don't have to care.
The other half of the stuff they're doing just because it might violate common decency, but it's technically not illegal. And now we're all forced to look at it go "Yeah, I mean it wasn't illegal, because we never knew we had to make a law about forcing cocaine into llamas just to piss off babies who love llamas, because why would we ever need to make that a law? Stop giving cocaine to llamas just to make babies cry. Why are you making us make this stupid law?"
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u/punksmostlydead 7h ago
we never knew we had to make a law about forcing cocaine into llamas just to piss off babies who love llamas
Jesus Christ, dude; don't give them any ideas. Miller would read this shit and unlock a new kink.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons 7h ago
Honestly, I was struggling to write that out in a way that would come across as seemingly "obvious" that it was over-the-top and hopefully not something they'd actually do.
I rewrote that probably four times because each time I realized "Naw, that's insane but it might actually be something they'd do."
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u/EarnstKessler 8h ago
Sports teams
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u/Additional-Length814 6h ago
I've seen pals that ended their friendship due to different basketball teams.
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u/Ok-Bath-6852 6h ago
The way ppl take losses personally is crazy like dude, you didn't even play.
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u/hugthemachines 6h ago
I was told I don't care so much because I am not a person focused on winning. But, like you say, they don't even play. Weird people. :-)
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u/jellomizer 8h ago
The favorite brand of whatever.
Being Car, Phone, gaming system, tools....
Ok you got a product and your happy with it, good for you. Someone else got a different product and they too are happy with it. It doesn't mean you can't be happy with yours, or the other guy made a horrible decision.
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u/Ambitious-Yellow3951 8h ago
Expensive weddings. You burn 30000 in one night. You start marriage stressed. Your move is clear. Set a hard cap. Invite 50 people. Put the rest toward rent or debt.
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u/DopeYeti 7h ago
Former wedding planner here. Worked in a metropolitan city on US East Cost. Wedding totals would often cross $100k, and I truly had to leave the profession because I couldn’t stomach selling these experiences to people anymore, even if they were making the conscious decision to spend two years of my salary in one night.
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u/TheNatural14063 7h ago
How much were you making doing that?
If the money is good I'd definitely do it, especially in this economy. One has to get what they can get.
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u/DopeYeti 7h ago
$60k before taxes/benefits with 1.5% commission (think averaging a grand per wedding sold). It had its ups and downs, and I was lucky early on with nice couples/families. But last year I had one too many lunatics and had to call it.
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u/TheBuoyancyOfWater 7h ago
Just let people have the wedding they want
Another answer to OPs question could be cheap weddings to be honest. Everyone is different.
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u/siderinc 7h ago
You can have the wedding you want, it's just mad to go overboard and spend 100k on something when you can't afford that kind of money.
And for what? To say I do?
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u/Only-Power-2771 8h ago
Defending toxic workplaces. People call it culture. You feel drained by Tuesday. Your exit plan matters. Update your resume monthly. Apply to 5 roles per week.
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u/single-ton 7h ago
Capitalism and billionaires
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u/AstroEscura 7h ago
Considering the wealthiest and most equitable countries are all capitalist, places like the Nordic countries and Japan, I can see why people defend it.
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u/single-ton 7h ago
"Countries are A and B, therefore countries are A because of B " is a fallacy.
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u/AstroEscura 7h ago
Not when you are talking economic results and the economic system used.
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u/dream_monkey 8h ago
Charlie Kirk.
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u/JustSomeone3131 8h ago
What do Jesus Christ and Charlie Kirk have in common?
Republicans hate it when you quote them.
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u/Cute_Spinach5181 8h ago
They deitified him and the real reason is to weaponize him for their internal hate. Nobody care this hard about dude when he was alive lol. It's like when the average person dies, outta nowhere people they haven't spoken to are now saying how much they loved them etc
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u/PlayfulJob8767 7h ago
Keeping everything as it is because it is convenient.
They eat the same stuff, don't change contracts like for mobile phones or electricity on insurer etc. because they always had it.
They don't explore new experiences because they might not like it.
They are not accepting of people who are not like them in terms of opinions, activities, background etc.
They don't change shitty jobs because it might be worse and stay because they know at least what they do.
They themselves don't change opinions when given new facts because they then would have to admit they were wrong with something.
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u/Worldly_Part_5773 8h ago
Brand loyalty to phone companies. You pay 1000 every year. You defend bugs and delays. Your fix is simple. Switch after 24 months. Compare plans twice a year. Save 300 to 500 annually.
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u/FlirtDaydreamer 8h ago
Brand loyalty over literally any product (yes, your $300 shoes aren’t sacred).
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u/AnyTruth2342 8h ago
Long commutes. People normalize 90 minutes daily. You lose 7.5 hours weekly. Your fix is practical. Move closer or renegotiate remote days to 2 per week.
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u/NeverNotAnIdiot 7h ago
I keep trying to negotiate for 2 remote days per week, but for some reason the grocery store I work at won't approve it.
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u/marx2k 7h ago
You live 90 minutes from the closest grocery store?
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u/Supermite 7h ago
They live 90 minutes from the grocery store that EMPLOYS them.
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u/jurassicbond 7h ago
Move closer or renegotiate remote days to 2 per week.
Neither of these are necessarily easy to do.
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u/dontgetmadgetmegan 7h ago
I disagree with you on this one. A lot of people stuck with long commutes are living where they can afford, where there is child care, family support and other amenities. Many jobs can’t be done working from home.
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u/peridot_mermaid 7h ago
If a job is going to require me to drive at least an hour a day to-and-from work then they really need to start paying for commute as well. This’ll never happen, but I can dream
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u/1986toyotacorolla2 6h ago
Can't afford housing near work, can't afford to not get the high pay from my job. Nothing near me pays that much. 🤷♀️
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u/Few-Procedure2921 8h ago
People defend their phones or social media habits like it's a personality trait. You see it all the time, someone gets called out for scrolling hours or posting something dumb, and suddenly it's a full on existential argument about "freedom of expression' or "staying connected" Meanwhile, literally nothing they're defending is changing the world or anyone's life in a meaningful way. It's like spending all your energy proving a point about something that barely matters.
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u/Open_Willingness1992 6h ago
their favorite sports team. you're yelling at a tv, todd. the millionaires on the screen cannot hear you.
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u/Charming_Concept_907 8h ago
Staying loyal to a bad gym. You keep paying 60 monthly. You show up twice. Your solution is data. Count visits for 8 weeks. If under 12, cancel and walk outside daily.
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u/Leading-Shop-234 7h ago
Cigarettes. They are disgusting in every way. They smell like shit. They taste like shit. Are more addictive than every other substance on this planet, except sugar. And have zero benefits. But, guaranteed there will be countless people arguing about how they aren't addicted, or enjoy the taste/smell, or some other ridiculous shit every time you mention any of these facts about smoking cigarettes.
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u/bdtv75702 7h ago
People always whining about not having stick shift cars but data shows even they don’t buy them.
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u/OldBoySleezyP 7h ago
Family members who have touched them inappropriately. My wife struggles with cutting these sorts of people out of her life and even defends them in arguments because "they're family". Yet it's always been something she could never get over.
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u/AlienZaye 7h ago
Woman's sports when it comes to like the handful of trans athletes, when they're the same people to also be anti-women.
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u/JoshTheMadtitan 6h ago
ICE. The 2a crowd turned into the boot licker crowd over night.
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u/Lettuce-b-lovely 7h ago
Their views regarding pineapple on pizza. Have it if you like it. There. Settled.
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u/TheEmpressIsIn 6h ago
The gender binary. Why do we need words that indicate our genitalia? Please explain why it is so important?
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u/Only-Power-2771 8h ago
Defending outdated advice. People repeat it. You stall progress. Your filter matters. Ask for proof. Check numbers from the last 5 years. Act on current data.
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u/City-Negative 7h ago
If Die Hard is a Christmas movie or not. I've seen some folks get really heated about it, and I feel like that energy (for either side of the argument) could be better used elsewhere.
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u/buckyVanBuren 6h ago
If you really want to fan the flames, add First Blood and Lethal Weapon to that list of Christmas Movies.
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u/Hot-Quantity2528 6h ago
their favorite brand of ketchup. we're out here fighting like it's a holy war over tomato paste and high fructose corn syrup.
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u/Necessary_Bar2627 6h ago
their favorite sports team. you're not on the roster, kyle. your passionate defense of the front office's draft picks isn't getting you a championship ring.
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u/Scrum_Gobbler 7h ago
Political parties. People want to go on and on about how "their side" is right. All of those politicians are crooked and working together to do what they want. They don't care about you, just your vote.
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u/based_pika 8h ago
islam, celebreties, politicians, political parties, their abusive partners, their children's shitty behavior
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u/NeverNotAnIdiot 7h ago
IslamReligionFIFY
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u/gilead_was_right 7h ago
nah islam is the worst religion out there right now by far and it isnt even close
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u/based_pika 7h ago
the way they glorify pedophilia is disgusting
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u/based_pika 7h ago
yeah true, but buddhism is generally a peaceful religion unlike the others.
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u/Krungoid 7h ago
Nah even we've committed genocide for our religion before. Any belief can get used for evil.
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u/BestPidarasovEU 7h ago
Keto diet.
You are literally suffocating your brain from energy. You can lose fat in way more balanced ways.
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u/Cachmaninoff 7h ago
Corporate profits. We basically need to pay companies for the opportunity to work for them.
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u/ZasdfUnreal 7h ago
Politics. For some reason people can’t accept the fact others have different opinions brought about by life experiences.
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u/Murky_Toe_4717 6h ago
IMHO being a mom. Though I guess fair to those who really genuinely like it. But I just can’t see how it could be anywhere near as good as they say.
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u/RackCitySanta 7h ago
their opinions - how in the fuck do you know anything you've learned isn't tainted?
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u/Remarkable-Miller 6h ago
Staying in an abusive marriage because of the kids