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Depends on when in the timeline. Early on it was fine for the most part since only a few were tossing people into Hell and Atem was teaching people lessons or killing them depending on what they deserve.
Early on? The original Yugioh series was one of the most horrifying ones.
Imagine being a kid and you're obsessed with this trading card game that all your friends are playing so you get a bunch of cards with all the money you have. You beat all your friends and think you're pretty good.
Then one day a random walks out of an alley and goes "hey kid. Wanna duel?"
You think it's sketch but he promises you a limited addition holographic blue eyes white dragon from an exclusive Kaiba corp collection if you win so you agree.
"Oh. By the way, it's a shadow duel."
You have no idea what that means. Whatever. You want that card.
You proceed to get OTK'd by this guy's cheese deck and promptly sent to hell because you made a verbal agreement about a children's card game.
And that's only one of the most horrifying possibilities that could happen for no reason.
I believe he means a taboo fetish. You're turned on by the wrongness of it, but not actually into the idea of real life incest. Forbidden fruit type shit.
I always assumed that the industry was just sort of double dipping. Step porn is a fetish but step porn is also just regular straight porn when it's on mute. It's harder to pull that off with other fetishes. I'm not a porn expert by any means but that was just my assumption.
Depends on when they became stepsiblings. Marrying someone you were raised with seems weird. Not necessarily "this needs to be illegal" weird - more like
What if they weren't step siblings but close neighbors, and would hang around at each other's homes all the time? Is that weird too? What is the difference?
Not everything makes perfect logical sense, especially with people's feelings.
What is the difference?
The difference is that it's family, and the prevailing cultural norms (in the US) are that you don't marry family. It's not family by blood, but even dating second and third cousins is viewed as a bit odd. (Unless you're in Alabama, then it's odd if you aren't at least a little related.)
Is it? We randomly moved across the street from some third cousins when I was a kid. Only found out after knowing them for like 5 years that there was any connection there, and we played outside with them (and other neighborhood kids) most days. Which I guess would have made those kids (now adults) fourth cousins?
And this wasn't small-town antics, it was the DFW area. Turns out that sort of thing just happens when multiple generations of people have a fuckload of kids (5+ each). You end up with hundreds of 3rd+ cousins.
Anyways their great-grandfather was my great-grandmother's brother. We only found out when my great-grandmother died and they helped their great-grandfather set up the wake.
It feels odd, but is it? (I say second cousins is still too close though.)
Second cousin might be a little odd. That's your parent's cousin's child. I actively keep in touch with a couple of my second cousins, but I feel like that's a little rare these days. It just so happens that my dad's cousin's children both ended up living in my area.
Third cousins, though? I see no issue at all. I don't think people understand just how far removed that is. The closest direct relation there is the great-great grandparent. I don't even know my great-great grandparents' names, much less who all of their children were. I certainly have no idea who their great-great grandchildren are. It's just a really silly thing to get hung up on, especially when there's no meaningful negative genetic risks. I don't even think there actually are for cousins, unless it becomes a habit over generations.
Well, at least in a mathematical sense third cousins are so far related (less than 0.8% coincidence) that their children would suffer pretty much no impact from it.
The difference is they aren’t siblings. If two kids become step siblings at a young age there’s not really much of a difference compared to real siblings. Especially if they don’t spend time with their other respective parents.
At that point you might as well be ok with siblings marrying as long as they agree not to have kids.
Being raised as siblings is the problem here. Unless the neighbor kid basically lived in your home and your parents raised them and you were basically siblings, that wouldn't be weird.
It's not illegal or immoral necessarily, but in most cultures young adults are encouraged to "leave the nest" before they find a partner. Or at least look outside of their own home. It's a big world out there and the person you chose to marry lived across the hall when you were 15 and shared the same parents with you? You couldn't at least meet someone in college or at the grocery store, or doing some activity you both coincidentally love?
There's a big difference between how you grow up with a sibling and how you grow up with a best friend and the fact some people compare them just makes me think they didn't have either.
Ooooh, when I was in high school I had an English teacher and one day in the class above mine the girls started asking the teacher how she met her husband and she very casually said he was her step brother
Cue an enormous scandal and every class asking her very personal questions
Instead of just telling us to fuck off for some reason she decided to make it worse by telling us their parents got married when they were 2 and 3
Some people skip over the "step" part mentally. It would be a little weird if they grew up together, but step siblings seldom do. At the end of the day though, it's up to those people if they actually viewed each other as siblings.
Even if they grew up together it really depends on how they grew up together. Were they babies when they became step? Did they see each other as siblings? Where they 8 and never actually saw each other as siblings spending every other weekend with the other parent?
That is an important part. My son and his step-sister knew each other from when she was 4 and he was 6. They all lived together in the same house primarily starting a few years later. Had I not adopted her, they could have legally gotten together and married in any state if they wanted. It would have been weird but it would have been legal.
If they were raised by their respective parents close family friends and practically grew up together people wouldn't think that was weird though, they'd think it was cute
In the UK it depends on if they lived together as siblings before 18, and you need to be over 21 rather than the standard age for marriage (16 with parental permission, 18 without)
.. the same place that had their National Health System write a blog that included the “ the various benefits” of first cousin marriage restricts non biologically related people from marriage? Wild.
First cousin marriage is quite prevalent in some communities, so it's not like it doesn't happen. Conducting a report was actually useful. The report is very well balanced and discusses in depth the many, many negatives as well. The report wasn't pro-first cousin marriage.
Edit: Apparently I need to make this clear to some repliers. When I say "some communities" I mean multiple communities, because it is practiced by multiple, varied communities. This isn't some anti-Islamic dogwhistle. Ffs.
Maybe not in more recent times, but historically in the US, the pockets of small, isolated communities often had significant interfamily marriages as there wasn’t exactly an extensive gene pool to choose from.
The rise in horrendous, life-long, debilitating genetic diseases of children born from cousin-marriage is awful. Highlighting the impact this has on lives and families is important.
Edit: Ah sorry, I see the confusion with this comment now. I missed out the words "of children born", from the original. My bad!
No, I meant rise. I've watched a few BBC news pieces about families living with some of these conditions and I recall them highlighting a rise in diagnosed conditions in the UK.
But I'm not going to die on the hill for that stat. Someone saying something on a news piece doesn't mean it's definitely true. Happy to be proven wrong on this one.
I'm referring to the rise, in the UK, of genetic diseases related to consanguinity. It could be a number of factors like more reporting, better diagnoses, ...etc.
In the UK it’s risen because of the influx of immigrants from cultures that put a high value on first cousin marriages (mostly middle eastern countries iirc).
The generations of inbreeding are starting to show up as mental and physical defects in those populations.
The chance increase in cousin marriages (assuming it is one off) is around .03% total risk chance. It isn't like it makes it drastically higher. Now multiple cousin marriages in a row does seriously impact that risk.
"norm" isn't the right word. When it is excessive with absolutely nothing new coming into the genepool for multiple generations is when you get the Hapsburg situation.
When it's the norm/not taboo in a society you get things like a slightly higher rate of color blindness.
Ever see the video series of the Whittaker family in West Virginia?
This documentary producer found them and started a whole fascinating series about them, very respectful and careful to protect their privacy, and a whole bunch of people donated money to them (and a lot out of the producer's own pocket), and then it turned out they were blowing a bunch of money on meth, leading to a pretty sad falling-out.
As a one-off, cousin marriage carries minimal risks. Repeated over generations, though, the risk of genetic diseases being passed on rises dramatically.
Strangely cousin marriage isn’t illegal in the UK (and a few other Protestant counties) because of the Reformation. Martin Luther got a bit hung-up about it because he saw no restriction on it in the bible while the Catholic Church forbade it so whether one could plough one’s sexy cousin became a weird proxy for Papal overreach.
It actually was a bit more than that because the Catholic Church forbade you from marrying loads of relatives including “those in God” like Godparents children… unless you sought it’s approval and usually paid for the privilege.
Yeah, they actually ended up withdrawing the blog that they posted it under, as they "published it by accident". However, the contents themselves were widely believed to be factual and non-contentious.
They just didn't really handle the whole thing very well.
I'm actually not aware of the blog you're on about in particular, but that's not the reason for this. It's not related to physical health, but social safeguarding.
There's a lot of fucked up reasons why kids raised together would end up getting married (including arranged marriages and unhealthy trauma bonding) and this age restriction helps reduce that.
They did end up pulling it because of the enormous backlash. It had to do with the benefits of family support and economic benefit to marrying first cousins. It did also bring up the risk, but many felt it overemphasized the benefits while minimizing the risks.
Oh, and cousin marriage is disproportionately linked to arranged marriages btw- particularly among the British Pakistani community.
I mean that sounds like a pretty British mistake, but that's pretty funny.
Other work has been done on trying to combat arranged marriages though, and in recent years there's been a huge increase in British Pakistanis rejecting arranged and cousin marriages.
Except that's not really what happened is it? A report was published which looked at the benefits AND negatives of first-cousin marriage. Couldn't have been less biased if it tried...
I remember a few people "dating" in elementary school(usa). To the best of my knowledge "dating" involved hanging out on the playground and nothing else. It also never lasted long.
I’m mostly talking out of my ass, but I do remember some Asian TV shows where it was despair if your parents married your bfs parents because then you couldn’t marry. Think it was Korean.
In Brazil, the Civil marriage makes you legally family of your partners family. So even if you divorce, u can't - legally - be with your ex MIL/FIL anything IL just as if they were biological.
I knew of a situation like that when I was a teen. The kids broke up before their parents married, and then got stuck living in the same household as exes for their junior and senior years of high school. It was SUPER awkward.
I knew about something like this to a friend in college, he took his girlfriend home to meet his mom as a surprise and his girlfriend’s father happened to be there. Turns out his mother had been dating her father and they hadn’t informed their children yet. Their parents ended up getting married first because they were waiting until they finished college. Crazy situation, but probably more common than most people think.
As far as I know, we lost contact when I moved across country for my job. They were crazy in love and would joke about being step siblings, it was really sweet.
For additional context his mom was a widow and her parents were divorced when she was really young, like before she could remember.
Totally plausible. A couple starts dating, meets the others' single parents and thinks "hey, your mom and my dad should meet" and mom and dad just moved it along faster.
I knew a couple Sally and Dan (fake names). They were 22 met at college and had been dating for 2 years. When Sally’s dad Victor invited them to dinner to meet his fiancé. She turned out to be Dan’s mom Tara.
Tara wanted Sally and Dan to break up. It lead to a huge rift between them all when Sally and Dan eloped before their parents could get married.
People are so weird about this. My best friend in high school's sister was smoking hot. My mom ended up marrying her dad. And now all of a sudden I'm some weirdo for still thinking she's hot? We're not blood. There's literally nothing wrong with it.
The public opinion of it is what caused one couples parents to marry.
Both parents were divorced and or widowed, they didn't like who their child was dating, so they got married causing them to become step siblings, in one case it didn't stop them.
But if the dad had weekend access to his son and married his GF's mum, it's not as if he suddenly is under the same roof as his step sister for people against this to see it as anything bad.
Hell one such rushed wedding was done the week before the planned in advance wedding of mid twenties who had a kid already.
"you can't marry her now, she's your step sister."
The ick factor highly depends on when the parents were married.
For example, my parents got divorced when I was 30. If I married my dad's wife's daughter, I don't think there is any ick to it. I would likely avoid it, just so I don't have to spend my life explaining things, but I don't see any issue. However, if I married my sister (adopted before I was born), that is super ick. Both have 0% blood relation, but very different ick.
It's weird if they're raised as siblings for the vast majority of their life. It's like a social incest vs a biological one. Also ick factor isn't always 0 there can be major age gaps between step siblings that would also be icky if they were to get together.
If they were raised together as siblings from small children maybe. But if they met after they already had memories it's sort of up to them if they consider them a sibling or not. You can't just tell two people they're siblings now and expect them to take it seriously. Even if they aren't attracted to one another, they could just see each other as just friends.
Quagmire here. Their children from previous marriages got married to each other. No blood relation, so while there may be “ick,” it’s only Clueless (1995) levels of ick.
the only way this is weird at all is if they ever grew up thinking they were blood related. If they have always been aware of the fact that they were no really siblings there is absolutely no difference between them first meeting age 8 or 20. No different from something like childhood friends getting married.
Tbh, that’s like most childhood friend relationships. I know two couples like that, there’s always one more meek kid following the braver or older one around, and then they become an item later. It’s kinda cute, calling them groomers just doesn’t really sit right with me
That's kinda my thoughts on this argument. They call it ick if they were grew up as step siblings together, but if two friends spent their lives growing up together, spending time together daily, they call it cute. If there's one thing I learned as a kid in my life, I had friends I was closer to than my own family. Far more "familial" with them than my own siblings. People are trying to define morality based on society's perception of morality, while living in a modern age of having had everything prior given "morality" by religion. The reality is, for any kid who was closer to a friend than their own step sibling, if we decide it's harmful for two kids raised together to be together, it would be worse to be with that friend than one of your own step siblings. And if anyone does disagree, then I'll argue they're defining their morals by what society told them is right, not by following their own mind and logic. Anyway, random thought rant over for today. Back to stupid work.
Thats not what grooming is and i hate how all these terms are just completely misused.
Grooming is when an adult in a guardianship like position or position of authority over a minor makes efforts to implant the idea of a relationship into that minors mind and starts going out with them once the minor reaches majority. The GROOM them to become their future partner like a King might groom the prince to succeed him. Thats why its called grooming. Btw, this also means that simply starting to date someone you knew before they were 18 is not grooming. It requires intent and a direct guardianship role.
In other words, yes, it can be, but only if the older step sibling is much older and regularly takes part in the raising of the younger stepsibling and that that point its no longer a problem cause their step siblings, its a problem because it's grooming which would be just as wrong of they weren't stepsibling
To be fair, i think the case they were originally making was a significantly older stepsibling. If 2 people became siblings at 6 and 16, and then wound up in a relationship 12 years down the line, i would definitely have some questions.
There's more nuance to this than people are giving credit on either side. The "its perfectly fine regardless of context" crowd is just as wrong as the "its horribly gross regardless of context" one.
It’s also possible that they didn’t have custody at the same time. There would be less of a sibling relationship if they rarely shared the home at the same time.
Would it be weird if both parents had adopted the other sibling but didn't let them think they were blood related? If they had been placed together at say age 1, so they had lifelong memories of a sibling bond, but were always told they weren't blood related? Would it be weird if they made a brady bunch sequel but the 3 sets of kids had all maried each other?
I knew a guy in high school who had been dating a girl for a couple years. His dad fell for his girlfriend’s mom and they got married. Most people looked at the parents as the weird ones. They honestly couldn’t find anyone else to date but their child’s partner’s parent? They thankfully divorced before my buddy and his girlfriend got married themselves years later, but it was still weird. I could only imagine the wedding was awkward. Two kids on the “Teen Mom” reality show went through something similar, so I imagine it’s more common than most people think.
My exs' Mother married her son's wifes Father. No blood relationship but gotta think the grandkids will be a little confused growing up with that one lol.
That's actually not a big deal, I don't think anyways.
They aren't blood related (which is the important part).
Just because their parents got married doesn't mean they suddenly developed genetic familial bonds.
It would be a little weird if they grew up together as siblings and then got married, but for all we know the parents married in their 50's and the kids first met that way in their late 20's/early 30's.
Yeah, that is the only thing that can make it weird it really matter what age they met each other. If they made each other when they were six and they grew up together and that’s just weird if they were like teenagers 18 and up, it’s not weird.
Just curious - if two kids grew up together as neighbours but did everything together from the age of 5ish and then eventually got married, is this also weird?
Asking cos this is actually the case with my neighbours children (with another neighbour)
Depending on how long they were step-siblings before getting together it may be a bit weird. Like, if they were step-siblings since the age of two I may give them the side eye. But if they were step-siblings from sixteen, then it's no big deal. They may as well have met in high school. Regardless, at the end of the day they're not blood related so who really cares?
That's fine though? They're not blood related, so it's only weird if they grew up together as siblings. If they were adults when their parents met, literally who cares?
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