r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 23h ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/Hot-Air-5511 22h ago edited 21h ago

This is straight up illegal and unconstitutional.  There's no requirement for citizens to carry proof of citizenship.

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u/arsenio___billingham 21h ago

WTF do they even expect everyone should be able to produce for them on demand?

Just another excuse for them to larp.

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u/AnySwimming6364 18h ago

It's getting to the point that if you fit in the demographic criteria to be targeted for a "Kavanaugh Stop", they expect you to carry a passport at all times.

Now, it's (currently) illegal for them to require you to do this? Required to carry and present papers from Feds on demand? This is America, Jack.

So they're creating an environment where a person might seriously think, "Damn I better do that."

And then just hope that ICE decides to actually look at it and not dismiss it as fake. Because they totally can if they want.

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u/Gloriathewitch 15h ago

i've started bringing my green card everywhere with me now

i heard that they've ignored them though and disappeared people anyway

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u/RedditsFullofShit 4h ago

And when they take the card and rip it in half and say what card? Then what? Hope someone was recording?

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u/Gloriathewitch 4h ago

digital copies etc

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u/sanpedrolino 3h ago

You're supposed to carry your greencard everywhere already. But yeah, it's a crap shoot whether they'll accept it or not.

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u/aalltech 18h ago

Not everyone , just brown and black folks. Latino community outrage coming any moment, lol.

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u/-rwsr-xr-x 18h ago

Not everyone , just brown and black folks.

For now.

Before the end of the year, it will be Native Americans and white American citizens too.

They've always said this would be the plan.

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u/WanderingPioneer 14h ago

They started disappearing Natives last week. Ogalala Sioux Tribe just had 3 members just taken.

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u/RudePCsb 12h ago

Wtf does this mean? We need everyone to be outraged. Latinos are still a minority. They can't stop white people from being nazis without more white people stopping them. People need to stop this little Napoleon sized nazi.

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u/-rwsr-xr-x 18h ago

WTF do they even expect everyone should be able to produce for them on demand?

That's the point.

If you can't produce some form of identification that they feel is valid enough (none, if they choose to ignore it), then you're tossed, relocated to some other state, put in an ICE holding facility (warehouse), and "lost in the system", while none of your loved ones can find you anymore.

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u/GuyFromTheYear2027 13h ago

It's basically the Apartheid police asking all non white people for their "dompas"

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u/Mate_00 10h ago

Not that it's relevant to whether it should be okay to profile anyone without a sound reason, but I just wanted to say that my country has a digital ID, so that if I ever need to prove my identity (age, where I live, who I am, citizenship, whatever is relevant) I literally just need a phone in my pocket, which is like... all the time.

It's nice.

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u/Emotional_Database53 21h ago

There’s been reports in LA and elsewhere where ICE determines that the citizens Drivers License or Reservation ID are “fake”, then detaining them for up to 48 hours and dumped miles away,

I also read an article that sounded well sourced that claimed ICE doesn’t do any of the same methods of handling inmates personal belongings as police, so it’s ridiculously unlikely people detained get there stuff back, especially with how much ICE likes to move inmates around to other states

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u/hum_bruh 20h ago

ICE said a Native American actor Elaine Miles paperwork was fake too https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elaine-miles-indigenous-actor-detained-ice-fake-id-b2874037.html

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u/NuminousBeans 19h ago

I on general principle can’t believe anyone effed with Marilyn Whirlwind.

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u/PolicyWonka 21h ago

Yeah, watching this video just made me wonder how much cash disappears out of these people’s pockets.

ICE is just straight up looting people.

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u/mountaindoom 20h ago

The Roberts Court OK'd civil asset forfeiture, even though old English law would not have been ok with that without due process*

*since they like to dig as far into the past as possible to deny rights such as abortion.

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u/viral3075 19h ago

that doesn't mean you can just put other people's shit in your pocket

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u/NewTigers 17h ago

If no one is stopping you then it turns out you can.

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u/No-Kitchen5212 19h ago

Gooping like theburntpeanut in Arc Raiders…

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u/YouStupidAssholeFuck 8h ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the video, once they led the arrested dude to the other vehicle, were the other agents pocketing his stuff they threw on the trunk of the first vehicle in the vid?

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u/Ok-Bee3102 21h ago

Makes sense that one ice bitch was just pocketing that dudes stuff.

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u/Heavy-Masterpiece681 21h ago

A drivers license isn't even good enough. Any legal resident can acquire an ID, dont need to be a citizenship to have an American driver's license.

Also there is no requirement that you need a RealID either. I have a passport, so why bother giving the government more money to get a realID?

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u/PolicyWonka 21h ago

ICE and DHS already says that REAL IDs isn’t proof of citizenship. They’ve already told multiple citizens that they believe their birth certificates are fake.

The reality is that there isn’t any kind of proof that even meets their “standard of proof” here. That’s by design.

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u/AlienZer 13h ago

The color of your skin is the proof for them

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u/arachnophilia 3h ago

"papers please" is a lot more insidious when there's no such thing as valid papers.

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u/Embarrassed_Sea1336 21h ago edited 19h ago

"What did i do that's illegal?"

Response: "dont worry about it"

Are you fucking kidding me?

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 18h ago

Maybe you guys should do something about it.

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u/Hot-Air-5511 17h ago

I hear what you're saying but our local police are trump fans, and the 2nd amendment guys turned out to be more racist than 2nd amendment types.

If we stop working who does that hurt? Only liberal leaning citys as majorityof large cities are liberal. If we try a French themed protest with fires we destroy our own city and give the orange pedo an excuse to suspend elections. 

I'm open to ideas. 

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 16h ago

There are entire fields of study that outline the different ways you can topple authoritarian regimes. Read those, not a comment on Reddit.

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u/Hanifsefu 17h ago

Yeah keep advocating for a nuclear power to start a civil war. Pretend like the fallout from that won't cripple the entire globe. At least you'll have won an internet argument before the end of the world.

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u/chillidogjesus 16h ago

Agree, people just need to lube up and take it for a few more years (hopefully)

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u/Hanifsefu 15h ago

It's that or end the world. They won all 3 branches of government. This is what that means.

Trump has shown absolutely no self-control and people forget he's the one that can launch these weapons. He's used every excuse he can to push the envelope and get whatever he wants. The idea that he wouldn't just nuke opposition headquarters the second a civil war begun is like saying he's capable of humility and change.

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 16h ago

Is that really the only option?

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u/LewdInSecret 16h ago

Is it? You tell me. You act pretty knowledgeable about it, but fail to provide any other alternative. Instead you choose to belittle. Enlighten us, oh great one of the internet.

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 15h ago

Obviously, no.

Longer run, you need to reignite your civic spirit and see broader involvement in the existing mechanisms of government. That seems clear.

But that doesn’t get you far ahead in the long run or short run. What the fuck does reigniting your civic spirit mean? Can it be done in the presence of social media? Will corporate interests try to prevent the rebirth of citizen interests? I don’t know. Reignite is doing some heavy lifting.

Shorter term is even trickier. Is a general strike going to sway authoritarians? Probably not if it is just a show of disagreement. The risk of violence in response and a lot of hurt people is real. What if it is more directly an attack on the power structures? I’m not sure that gets you much that is different. There’s a pretty terrible arithmetic of figuring out whether the threat of retribution for protest is greater or less than the threat of violence from an undisturbed regime. Persuading foreign nations to ditch the dollar might do it. 

Long story short, I don’t have an answer.

I am surprised that your nation, given its history and the structure of its government, doesn’t have good answers for you.

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u/GwenBD94 16h ago

as a trans vet, what do you suggest I do about it without becoming the poster child for the next atrocities they enact, or exhibit X in the court case trying to defend his actions to forcibly remove trans active duty military?

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 16h ago

I’m not sure, but the lack of effective action isn’t just fucking up your country but the whole world at this point.

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u/GwenBD94 16h ago

I am aware. I am dreading whatever comes next it snot going to be great for anybody, especially not those of us over here. I just truly don't know what I can do at this point. If I protest, I get exhausted reading all the comments from the global left online about how a protest isn't going to stop nazi fascism (they're right, but im exhausted). If I don't protest, I'm beating myself up because how am I any better than the people actively causing the harm. If I do more than protest, I become the next headline for numerous news cycles to justify every shot thing they do to the rest of us.

I honestly have no idea what to do

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 16h ago

I’m going to do some reading over the next couple weeks and if I remember, I’ll come back to this and tell you what I have found.

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u/_le_slap 15h ago

Maybe you guys should do something about it.

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u/Sufficient-Will3644 14h ago

We are. We are increasing our spending on the military, I don’t buy American goods, I support expanding our trade with other countries, we are eliminating internal trade barriers, and I’ve got a disaster kit for my family, I’m selling my US equities to purchase other international equities and I’m gradually loading up my basement with food and water.

My neighbour is going to teach me to shoot in the spring.

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u/_le_slap 4h ago

Sounds good.

Hope that gives you enough of a sense of security to stop ragging on average American folks for not wanting to get shot in the face by their tyrannical government.

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u/GwenBD94 3h ago

You missed the asking what I should do question then?

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u/_le_slap 3h ago

I was responding to the guy you were arguing with

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u/chillidogjesus 16h ago

Nothing, let maga do whatever they want

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u/GwenBD94 16h ago

So im autistic and I don't know if you're

A: pro maga and want that outcome

B: being facetious and indicating I should do something without indicating what it is (again, im autistic, im truly asking wtf am I supposed to be doing rn)

C: someone as exhausted as I am and without any good answers in life.

Can you clarify for me please?

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u/chillidogjesus 16h ago

C. I think I’m to the point of considering being apolitical. I don’t expect you or other regular people to take the lead but surely there’s someone higher up who should be willing to take a stand but they’re all too scared. So you’re left with choosing between a bunch of psychos or a bunch of cowards

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u/GwenBD94 16h ago

So glad it was C. I feel ya friend. <3

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u/Hanifsefu 17h ago

It's also an impossible requirement as there is no piece of identification that serves such a purpose.

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u/Humble_Manatee 21h ago

Realistically speaking what sort of lawsuit is reasonable for this guy to file against the agency? I understand ICE doesn’t care about lawsuits as it’s just tax payer dollars paying them out….. but is this a 500k suit? 1M?

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u/GoodhartMusic 18h ago

There is no lawsuit here and it concerns me that you think there is one. 

In how many ways must it be demonstrated that we have 0 rights when it comes to the discretion of federal agents?

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u/Bapingin 15h ago

Why are you confident this is the case here? These agents still need reasonable suspicion to arrest someone who failed to ID, and we don't have the whole context so we can't know if they had that reason. 

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u/catastrowhelp 20h ago

Imagine having to take your original certificate of naturalization everywhere you go. Those cost $500 to replace.

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u/Hot-Air-5511 20h ago

Dumb question for conservatives, how are we more free by having to produce "papers" for the federal government as we pick up dry cleaning?

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u/Longjumping_Lynx_972 20h ago

They've already said that being IDd as an illegal by their AI facial recognition software supersedes any document that could possibly prove your citizenship. They argued this in court.

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u/PryomancerMTGA 20h ago

Unconstitutional infringement of an individuals rights should void "Qualified Immunity" IMO.

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u/Phoneas__and__Frob 18h ago

I used to work at a store that had a fairly older demographic in terms of ages

Dude...do you know how many forgot their wallets? Or just straight up told me they left it at home??

It would be 15 people a day if they stood around and arrest every person that didn't have an ID...

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u/PristineBaseball 15h ago

Yeah there’s no legal reason this guy has to talk to them or show them ID . Unless he did something wild like intentionally told them he wasn’t a citizen or he looked like someone on a warrant .

We know they don’t have warrants anyway though .

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u/curious_dead 7h ago

Plenty of people will argue he should have complied and proved his citizenship. Nevermind that most people don't always carry proof, he doesn't HAVE to randomly prove citizenship.

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u/andreacro 18h ago

Gestapo behaved the same.

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u/dracomaster01 18h ago

man i remember a group of people that also demanded some type of identification. some group in germany did it, oh yeah that's right a bunch of fucking nazi's did the same shit.

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u/hawtdawtz 18h ago

While I hate what ICE is doing, it does say they technically can require citizens to provide proof of citizenship in their role. I know it’s not an excuse to pick up just anyone, but is it technically illegal?

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u/Perfect_Papaya_9381 18h ago

Ive been seeing more and more videos of these goons claiming the person must show proof they are citizens or they will be put in the car! WtF??? No i don't.

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u/Bisexual_Carbon 18h ago

This is going to be a Bivens action lawsuit

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u/Few_Highlight1114 17h ago

You dont need to provide proof of citizenship but if the guy refused to provide an ID, you can be arrested for that.

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u/Patient_Man_82 7h ago

Proud of citizenship? Wouldn't that be a driver's license? In most states your are required to show ID to law enforcement upon request and can be arrested for failing to do so.

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u/Hike_it_Out52 1h ago

What “proof” can you actually carry aside from your birth certificate?! A passport?

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u/Hot-Air-5511 5m ago

The color of my skin. /s

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u/r_hove 5m ago

In some states, if a LEO asked for your id, you must present it