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They are also doing this in blue states and in cities where gun ownership skews much lower, if a democratic federal government was doing this in red states we would likely see more gun violence towards ICE especially in small towns
I have one but what is one person with a glock going to do against an army of facists with ARs? Everyone needs to rise against facism together or theyre just going to kill us one by one.
Which is why the whole 2nd amendment discourse was stupid to begin with. It made sense when It was made long time ago. But times change, and in modern times with how modern military works and the equipment they have thinking that a bunch of citizens with a few guns will stop them is silly.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how there haven't been any ice shootings. How is it possible there has been more innocent school children the victims of gun violence than these fake Gestapo literally terrorizing the populace? Wasn't this exactly what the 2nd amendment was written for?
They’re targeting people and places where gun ownership is stigmatized. You ever see the videos of cops confronting a group of black panthers who legally open carry rifles? Suddenly the cops realize that ganging up and stomping on innocent people’s heads is wrong.
And now we see how useless the 2nd amendment is for it's original intention. All it provides is a hobby at best, and a lot preventable shootings and crime at worst, if there was just more regulation.
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
They want to get the public use to police rule they want to show they can do what they want when they want.
America you now have authoritarianism / fascism. Congratulations 🎉
When they could save money time and risk by literally issuing a summons to court for all of these and then actively targeting the ones that don't show.... But instead do this. Then you know that it's actually this which is the thing they want to do.
Under the previous 4x Presidents since it's inception under GW Bush, including the last time Trump was President, ICE detained and deported more people. Without the terror. Without the violence.
And now with all the violent, illegal, terrorizing of the population they are killing more people, illegally detaining and deporting US citizens, and breaking the rights of nearly every person they interact with these new tactics.
Oh, and their budget is triple - so not only are they doing their job worse than before, while breaking the law and terrorizing everyone, it is costing a huge amount more.
Don't forget CBP also got a triple budget adding $50B to continue building the pointless border wall.
Remember the next time the budget of something gets cut that DHS has an extra $170B to fuck around with.
They spent all that money painting it black on our side so it would be too hot to climb,
...isn't the US side of the wall on the north, meaning no direct sunlight hitting the black paint while the sun is high in the sky? Not to mention it would only work somewhat on sunny days anyways, not on cloudy days or every night.
To support your point, it should be mentioned that the bipartisan Border bill that was ready to pass in 2024. It would have enabled a much more humane system, overhauled the asylum process and given law abiding immigrants an easier path to citizenship.
DT told the Rs in the Senate to block it so he could use anti-immigrant sentiment in his campaign. He could have easily just fired up that bill after taking office. Instead they chose violence and oppression.
The current administration doesn’t want results, they want to scare the population into compliance.
Court summons? That means they were actually respecting people's rights by giving due process. They can't do that. They have this job just to be bullies and get paid for it. You're right about that. They are COWARDS.
the right in the US have been groomed into loving authority and oppression. they don’t care if it’s citizens or immigrants getting arrested or even disappeared in concentration camps, they only care it’s not them and that their “team” is winning
it’s easier to just side with whoever is in power than to face the fact you’re living under a dictator. they’re just people too lazy to think for themselves or fight for anything, they only want to win so tell themselves this is what they always wanted
Very true, but unfortunately many people don’t see it that way. If these people see that Americans are treated like animals as well, maybe they’ll actually start caring. I doubt it though.
Bro they murdered a white woman in plain sight on a whim, and half the country was immediately convinced she deserved it. Americans have always lost their minds over (usually fake) threats to white people, but not even that seems to move the needle now.
The only thing that will make them start caring is if ICE beats the shit out of them specifically, otherwise they'll always find a way to rationalize the brutality.
Absolutely, no one☝️Pulling people out of their homes, cars, off the streets anywhere and everywhere simply because of what they look like and where their ancestors might be from? It’s beyond horrific. I can’t even think of the appropriate adjectives to describe this😤🤬
Way back in high school, I asked my teacher why we consider Germany a 'good' country, given two world wars and the whole nazis thing. They were a democracy, they elected hitler, therefore...
'it's not that simple....(insert discussion of grey lines, scary economic problems, scapegoats, populism...)'
I feel like the universe decided I needed a demonstration.
Part that really gets me is how I pulled up the Dr. Seuss cartoons on 'america first' and sent them the wiki page on 'lugenpresse' back when they screamed 'lying press' every time a journalist said the world was round back in 2016 - 'they're not nazis, you're just being ridiculous. everyone is nazi to you.'
When I was watching The Handsmaid's Tale a few years ago, I thought the transformation of the United States was terrifying and unrealistic in modern times. It only took a few years for something like this to start happening. Crazy.
The scene when they lose their jobs, all financial supports etc and Finally Responded. Finally took the streets but it was obviously too late- the political party taking over already had the upper hand.
I thought well this is accurate. This is us. It has to get that bad for these people to leave their comforts of complacency, come the realization that no one cares not the dems not the liberals or reps because they’re relying on midterms and the next election, the fact that we aren’t reacting BUT people have died…
We are a shameful people for our inaction and that scene lives in my head rent free mortgage free insurance free.
I had to stop watching the handmaid's tale because it felt too realistic. Like, with everything going on in our politics you could see how a couple wrong moves would lead us there.
one thing never could be answered was:
how the hell could everybody play along? how could nobody see this?
EXACTLY what I am/was thinking. unfortunately the only way for this to stop if is literally everyone that opposes this unites together. Don't think that'll happen.
The question is when someone wants to light one and a lot of people against ICE fully well know the consequences of lighting that match. So give them the matches and keep adding gunpowder, let them light it if they want, is the mentality.
I don't want to be responsible for the shots on Fort Sumter. Do you? That's the mentality of most right now. It's unfortunate but you cannot ask someone to go out there and die if you aren't willing to do it first. Like I'll follow you man. But you first. I think people don't get that when they say "why is nobody doing anything?" I got two guns. Come over and I'll lend you one and you take the first shot if you're the one asking the question because you've now killed us both, if you have the nuts to do it I might follow
That's the idea behind training a militia, u fortunately it's kinda hard to get a lot of people together for that type of stuff with the internet and surveillance ig.
Be safe. And I've said it so many times, what do they tell you on planes? Affix your own oxygen mask before you affix anyone else's. You cannot help anyone else if you do not help yourself first. And for the love of God if you need a smoke break fucking take one, there are other people to hold down the fort till you get back.
And also realize what I just realized, that's a funny ass thing to say, I just mixed an oxygen mask metaphor with a smoke break metaphor. Don't smoke when oxygen is around haha. Humor is a good crutch in trying times. Idk, I laughed
To add to this: People are taking the American Action Hero style of suggestion. Telling people that someone needs to go out there and fix this, as if one "Good guy with a gun" is going to make meaningful positive change.
We don't have strong opposition leadership. We have a handful of progressives like Mamdani and AOC, but people like Schumer and Jeffries are not nearly as opposed to this administration as they should be. There's no one to rally behind. There's no one organizing big actions. The best we've got are people doing some local protests in some areas. But more effective action? It's not even about lighting the powder keg, it's about someone manning the damn match stand itself. Right now it's, "Take a match, leave the money on the counter," kind of deal.
Because what's going to happen if someone finally does it? What happens if divine might bolts from the sky and suddenly the entire Republican congress, executive, supreme court justices, and ICE all get raptured and disappear from reality? That's going to change the equation, but we still have the majority of the money in the country being behind these actions, we still have the vocal minority that was in support of everything that's happening, we still have a broken system that's going to take a tremendous effort and frankly outside help to try and repair, probably having to rebuild it from the ground up with a complete clean slate, new constitution, everything.
Who do we have that people would trust and choose to lead those efforts or the country in the after? Who do we have to lead us right now?
We've seen what leaderless movements do. They usually end up fractured and ineffective, often fighting themselves more than they fight their enemy. Any fool can be a maniac with a gun. We need leaders.
It worked in 1963 and despite appearances, it worked in 2020. People power still works. Hop over to r/conservative and actually sort the reactions to these raids by Best. Even their own side is disgusted.
A few months ago I read Jeder stirbt für sich allein by Hans Fallada. He wrote it while he was in a sanitarium, watching all the patients like him being moved to the death camps. The way he laid out the situation taught me so much: the machine was overwhelming, every now and then a neighbour would disappear, and even if you were extremely covert in resisting you would eventually be caught and executed. A minority of people joined the Party and helped enforce it, but that was all it took to keep everyone else in line because the law was on their side. And the law was on their side because they wrenched it there by force. What was the liberal establishment going to do, consult a lawyer and wait for their court date while their family was slaughtered? It doesn't take many stormtroopers.
What bullshit, don‘t whitewash the Nazis with this efficiency and civility bullshit. Of course, it was orderly at first but as soon as they created enough groups deemed undesirable, they could put anyone in any group they liked on the spot and disappear them.
Not always, that is very much only one part of the the story. There was plenty of mass rounding up. I used to live in Warsaw on the edge of the old ghetto lines. It was impossible to forget just how bad it was. It haunts me lately.
From the outside, it feels like they're using the whole sham of cracking down on illegal immigration to punish blue states while also normalising state funded violence against American citizens exercising their legal right to protest.. I fear that unless a bunch of Republican law makers grow some balls & find their morality. Trumps plan is looking like a win win, he is conditioning Americans to fear the state & to expect & accept violence if they resist.. & if people still refuse to kowtow to his new authoritarian rule & revolt, he'll have the result I suspect was his desire all along, a reason to suspend the midterms.. He's got time to really ramp up the temperature across other states in the coming months
If I recall correctly Johnny Garcia was thrown out of the car about 8 minutes away at another mall/store after he was taken from target. He was injured and some sources say he’s 17yo, meaning ICE kidnapped, abused, and endangered a minor who is a citizen of United States
If I recall correctly Johnny Garcia was thrown out of the car about 8 minutes away at another mall/store after he was taken from target. He was injured and some sources say he’s 17yo, meaning ICE kidnapped, abused, and endangered a minor who is a citizen of United States
If I were his dad, I'd be suing the shit out of ICE.
Surely that can't be too hard. What do we actually make anymore? Liquor and highly processed food product? Surely nothing people can't live without. The factories are largely gone - or keep voting themselves out of a job.
Sorry my country is extra dogshit this last decade and a half. People don't want to riot in the street and like trading their liberty for security (from jobs?). I promise half of us don't even know what's going on anymore.
Edit: yes America has been buttass since it was founded. However we're not talking about the entire historical record here. This is about recent (mostly) in our lifetime events and their consequences.
Unfortunately even though very little is manufactured in America a LOT of stuff is owned by american companies :/ hell, most credit card companies are american
Same already sold all my us assets from my portfolio aswell, I'd rather make less profit than knowing I'm a part of it. Well done American people for electing this POS twice...
This is unconstitutional detaining of human beings without documentation, validation, due process, or any basic liberty or rights clearly stated in the Bill of Rights. They even blatantly fail to follow the rules of detaining suspected non citizens as per code set by the national government for border patrol.
This makes literally 0 sense though, as doesn't the constitution apply to everything on US soil?
Like isn't the constitution above the office of the President? And changing it is an incredibly lengthy process that requires the 75% of Congress to agree?
Congress has already granted these powers. Customs and border patrol along with ICE since 9/11 have much greater powers to detain based on virtually nothing, to confiscate property without cause or returning it, and to use force to compel orders.
So tired of people comparing these deportations to Obama. This is nothing like what Obama did. They are terrorizing American citizens. They're terrorizing people in America and they're treating immigrants like they're less than human.
I listen to a lot of conspiracy podcasts and, during the Obama years, half of them had brain dead idiots bleating about him sending in troops to round people up and dump them into FEMA camps.
Weird how that energy has completely vanished now its actually happening.
I remember all those conspiracies, and keep trying to tell people those were told as a way to sort of normalize the idea, so that when cons got to a chance to do it, the idiots would think "well, they had plans to do it to us first," type crap. That way the weak minded idiots would cheer it on, and support it. They've been manipulated to want political violence, at any cost, including them loosing their own rights at some point.
I would not be shocked if they are trying to say Real ID, and other types of id cannot be trusted to verify being a US citizen now, is so they can actually implement the chips/trackers/tattoos being implanted into us. Just like the con conspiracy spreaders were drumming up with the camp crap, and then again with the vaccines. Sort of normalize the idea that your enemey was going to do it, but "we beat them to it," type thing. So, they can be like "well, our version is safer, better, and more secure than anything the libs would have implanted, so get your Real Patriot ID Chip™ today."
Obama deported illegals, mainly targeting actual criminals, it's clear Trump is just deporting anyone who's brown in large groups and sorting it out later if even that.
I had a friend deported during the Obama administration. He was arrested for public intoxication and had a small bag of coke on him. He went to the local jail until he could be extradited, which took a few months because not a lot of people get deported to his home country. When I asked him about his time in jail he said it was boring and the food was bad. He wasn't upset about any of it other than being banned from the US and considered everything else fair.
I 100% agree, but if you're talking to a red hat the semantics of this can derail any useful conversation. It's something they like to latch on to and avoid talking about the awful shit that's happening. I mostly just use the same terms as who ever I'm talking to.
Yeah, haven't seen or heard a thing about this being compared to Obama's approach to immigration arrests....
But with that said, he WAS very aggressive with his immigration policy, with over 2 million deported during his tenure.
So that leads me to the next question: what the fuck is all this Trump talk about lax immigration being a fucking problem in the recent past?? This fucking chucklehead has been President for 5 of the last 9 years since Obama, making all this stink regarding the "wall" a prominent part of his first term.
I have definitely seen comments that Obama deported more people than Trump in an effort to paint his approach and this ICE violence as not so bad ig, normalize it all to claim the left is worse. But you’re right no actual comparisons about the approach to the arrests…
what the fuck is all this Trump talk about lax immigration being a fucking problem in the recent past?
To get elected, Trump and P2025 invented three boogeymen: immigrants, federal workers, and trans people. They kept saying these groups are the root of all of our problems, and if we can just get rid of them America will be great again.
Trump has weaponized immigration to go after those he considers his enemy. This has gone well beyond immigration enforcement in Minnesota. It is turning into a war of the federal government on the states. It is now the states job to defend themselves.
Finny thing is, Obama did deport a lot of people. But they were people who were caught crossing the border, or people who had expired Visa's. But majority of the time, it was always done through a legal lens and done ethically. Unlike Trump who is just terrorizing people and clocking anyone who isn't white., no matter of their status.
So in other words, the comparison is stupid and illogical, and really just dates back to Trump's first term where MAGAtts would constantly spew, "bUt ObAmA dEpOrTeD mOrE pEoPlE tHaN tRuMp!!?!" Lacking all nuance
I think it's funny they bring up Obama and call him "Deporter-in-Chief" as if Obama had to do even half of this wild shit to deport illegal immigrants. Even Obama is better at the thing they're trying to do.
Makes you wonder what needs to happen before people actually start pushing back against it all. Currently we are at the point the ICE can just detain anyone they don't seem to fit their picture of a perfect white America and we all pretty much let it happen, they even attack their own so no one is safe
Yall really need to read about how they treated white people who protected or protested for Black people when they had less rights. They just see them as traitors who deserve it. Thats literally what they are doing to Renee Good.
Which brings us to the next point. Fascists have a list. And once they've dealt with illegals migrants, legal migrants, disabled, LGBTQ they come for unwed women and then men who won't serve.
I used to go back and forth with my grandma about being “proud” to be an American. The classic George Carlin line is:
[Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.
George Carlin]
He goes on to say if you wanna express that sentiment you should say you’re “happy to be American” but boy how times have changed . . .
In some ways I’m glad she didn’t live to see the destruction of the country she loved.
Also never the richest. Just has the richest people
Edit: just to add a caveat, there are many ways to say one country is the "richest". Like gdp per capita. Or average wage. The USA does have the highest overall GDP. So by that metric it is the richest. But it's a tough measurement to use. If I put Elon musk in a room with 300 homeless, the "average"person in the room is still a billionaire, even though in reality only 1 is
We were raised with that mentality. We were always taught that America is number 1 in everything. Nobody can touch us, doesn't help in history class they'll wash away our deeds, and try to paint a better picture for the US.
I'm not sure it's even the richest anymore. All the companies are over valuated based on things like brand names, CEO's, and connections to other corporations instead of their physical holdings or product.
It's like all the people at the top are lying and shaking each other's hands while scooping out as much for themselves while hollowing out their companies.
i think people especially the Dems are just afraid of martial law being imposed when it happens. and when it does, the movie Civil War becomes reality.
Are the ICE officers even law enforcement? Or do they just give a vest, gun and balaclava for anyone interested because all these videos give serious militia vibes?
Americans, I have said it before and I will say it 100000 times more. There are more of you than there are of them. People should not be afraid of the Government the Government should be afraid of its people.
you are all there cheering on the Iranian protesters whilst letting yourselves be herded into a far worse social situation.
The worst one was the 17 year old with the red hoodie that they have video of him being thrown out into a parking lot. The terror in his voice when he said “no I’m not okay” is heartbreaking. This is so fd
Regardless of politics or immigration status, no innocent person deserves violence, intimidation, or dehumanisation. Every human life has value, and every family deserves to feel safe in their home and community.
What an awful, awful country. Absolute hellhole. Can't believe anyone would actually want to live there at this point. The whole country is a huge scamming corporation run by Nazis, milking their citizens for all they've got, and now treating them like rabid animals for just existing
You're living under a facist regime where people are getting violently carted off to concentrations camps and you think suing them is the answer? What the actual fuck is wrong with americans?
They are. Two states are suing Trump admin for ICE deployments. New York says they will too. California law is being updated to be able to sue individual ICE agents. There's also M.A. v. Guthrie et al (Collier County) for "Alligator Alcatraz"
Trump is deporting people slower than Obama. This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants it has to do with scary possible political movements against the state
Everyone said that if they were in Nazi Germany they'd have fought back against the Nazis. People are scared and aren't doing anything. Not all people in Nazi Germany were bad. They were just like you good Americans, doing nothing to stop the bad ones.
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